is Golovkin a top all time 15 great at middleweight?

[ShoulderRoll]

The WBA super title awarded to Felix Sturm - who didn't fulfill the requirements to be a super champ until the WBA were bribed to alter them especially for him - was a sham, paper title created only to allow Sturm to avoid a mandatory defence vs Golovkin.

Golovkin was the WBA MW champion right from the start of his reign. Sturm was a paper champion.

It doesn't work that way. Golovkin wasn't the real WBA champion...until he was.

[ShoulderRoll]

Why not 164 catchweight? It's not like Ward is going to be that weight on fight night.

If allegedly no one wants to fight you...and you are chomping at the bit to get a big fight with a top P4P caliber opponent...you jump at the chance to face him no questions asked, don't you?

You don't start putting up roadblocks to kill the fight.

Especially if your team claims you'll face anyone from 154 to 168.

[kafkod]

It doesn't work that way. Golovkin wasn't the real WBA champion...until he was.

History will decide on that, not you.

[QueensburyRules]

History will decide on that, not you.

- -History shows Re heavy div that "lineal" trumps all, so no heavy is considered a champ until he beats the lineal champ, prob being lineal has no belt, no address of members or representatives other than self anointed, hence multi lineal champs.

Go figure boxing at your own risk cause noone else can...NOONE!!!

[kafkod]

Andre Ward raised his hand to fight him but Golovkin scuttled that by asking for a 164 lb catchweight.

That should also be noted by historians.

Andre Ward raised his hand to fight him ... but not right away ... sometime next year .. maybe ...

[ShoulderRoll]

History will decide on that, not you.

I'm sure historians will treat the WBA "regular" vs super champion nonsense appropriately.

[kafkod]

I'm sure historians will treat the WBA "regular" vs super champion nonsense appropriately.

I'm sure they will. It's a pity that people like you don't treat it appropriately too.

[ShoulderRoll]

I'm sure they will. It's a pity that people like you don't treat it appropriately too.

I'm consistent with my thinking. I never gave Canelo credit for being a world champion at 168 just because he beat Rocky Fielding and took his WBA "regular" title.

[Marchegiano]

The IBU was once an official major world body. They had a mandate with the NYSAC and everything.

No one calls Sam Langford or Peter Jackson or Larry Gains or George Godfrey world HW champions.

Point is, there's what's officially recognized and what the world gives a **** about. Those were great HWs, that's an official title, still no one gives a **** because basically **** the IBU.

Pretty sure the WBA reg is in that boat bud but tf do I know. My thing's not prediction.

[kafkod]

I'm consistent with my thinking. I never gave Canelo credit for being a world champion at 168 just because he beat Rocky Fielding and took his WBA "regular" title.

Totally different situation. Canelo wasn't in the mandatory spot for the WBA title, held by Smith. Smith wasn't inexplicably promoted to super champ as soon as his mando with Canelo became due, and Canelo wasn't then told ... you are now the WBA regular champion, and you ain't fighting Callum for the super title, forget about that.

And what about the 2 years that passed between Geale being stripped of the super title for not fighting GGG, and Golovkin being elevated himself?

There was no super champ during that time, but according to you, GGG still wasn't the real WBA champion until they decided to change the name of the title he'd held for 4 years from "regular" to "super"

Yeah, nonsensical is the right word to describe that bullshit!