Frazier beats Tyson 8 times out of 10

[billeau2]

I've been reviewing the 2 a lot lately, I think Frazier actually beats Tyson quite easily. Why? Because essentially Frazier only loses if he can't get inside. Tyson is short and he's gonna come forward. It's going to be an inside fight from the opening bell. Frazier is simply a much better inside fighter and Tyson isn't going to land enough serious bombs to put a guy like Joe away inside. At best Tyson drops him or hurts him at some point, but in general catches a bad beating and might even get stopped late.

Thats my take, thoughts?

Remember, Tysons style is essentially like Floyd Pattersons, only Tyson is a heavyweight not a LHW. He actually does better vs Taller fighters by slipping inside and landing a big bomb. The same goes for Patterson. Frazier kills Patterson too.

I'd pick the 80's Tyson to beat Frazier 8 of 10 times. When you have two fighters that like to move forward and throw punches, go with the one who hits harder and takes the better punch.

Frazier was a bit of a one punch all time great. He seldom if ever used an uppercut, had no jab, and a medicore at best right hand.

Tyson's weaponry is much better.

I like both lines of reasoning here. Sometimes two points are logical and well argued...

Dr Z to his credit points out something many overlook about Frazier. He was a one trick poney so to speak.

My own reason for loving Joe and Marciano have to do with how little both men actually had. To win would have been miraculous, but to become champions? It boggles the mind.

Any man who can do what Joe did is dangerous to any other fighter... Sure Foreman smoked Joe... But Foreman was so wrong for Frazier. He was long reached and powerful, and he was great enough to know how to handle Joe coming in.

patterson: Liston = Frazier:Foreman. No way the results could be different.

As far as themApples points? Absolutely! Thats what frazier did to win... And Tyson did not have reach to keep Frazier off. Lets look at the Holly win and none of this "well Tyson as not really Tyson....." BS! Watch the fight watch the shot Tyson catches holly with the first round. Tyson was plenty dangerous...

Holy won by pushing Tyson onto his heels, so his power was compromised. Its a Ju Jutsu strategy, called triangulation.

Frazier would be pushing Tyson onto he back heels all night unless Mike could find a way to not be smothered by Joe.

I am undecided about this one!

[QueensburyRules]

I've been reviewing the 2 a lot lately, I think Frazier actually beats Tyson quite easily. Why? Because essentially Frazier only loses if he can't get inside. Tyson is short and he's gonna come forward. It's going to be an inside fight from the opening bell. Frazier is simply a much better inside fighter and Tyson isn't going to land enough serious bombs to put a guy like Joe away inside. At best Tyson drops him or hurts him at some point, but in general catches a bad beating and might even get stopped late.

Thats my take, thoughts?

Remember, Tysons style is essentially like Floyd Pattersons, only Tyson is a heavyweight not a LHW. He actually does better vs Taller fighters by slipping inside and landing a big bomb. The same goes for Patterson. Frazier kills Patterson too.

- -How Joe land inside when Tyson keeps knocking him down?

What was Joe doing age 21 when Tyson ruled over all he surveyed.

Boys, stay tuned, this gonna git good!

I love Joe, but hate when nitwits use him for illicit purpose.

[them_apples]

I didn't mean "trouble" trouble, I mean, they lasted the full fight whereas everyone else was getting KTFO by Tyson in a few rounds at that time.



Well first off, it doesn't matter if Frazier's better than anybody Tyson faced because styles make fights. I see nothing in Frazier's style that would say he would dominate Tyson.

And Tyson was a devastating body puncher in his prime. You forget he's bigger than Joe Frazier, stronger, and faster, and hit harder.



Dude, styles make fights, that's what I was getting at.

By trouble I mean, lasted the whole fight as opposed to almost dying in the ring like Tyson's other opponents in that era.

Holyfield beat Tyson by headbutting him incessantly and being full of steroids.

Holyfield is also taller than Tyson. 6'2 to Tyson's 5'11.

Show me a shorter guy Tyson ever had problems with.

Considering both Frzier and Tyson beat men much bigger than them, and considering they are both the same height, similar reach and near identical weight - I don't think size has any factor in this matchup at all.

Holyfield beat Tyson because he stayed in close and didnt give Tyson room to punch.

[The D3vil]

Considering both Frzier and Tyson beat men much bigger than them, and considering they are both the same height, similar reach and near identical weight - I don't think size has any factor in this matchup at all.

Holyfield beat Tyson because he stayed in close and didnt give Tyson room to punch.

And headbutted him incessantly and was full of steroids

[PRINCEKOOL]

except Frazier is so much better than literally, anyone Tyson has faced, if we are talking prime for prime. Tyson also never showed any ability to inside fight. And Frazier showed great ability to keep coming no matter what was thrown at him.

Once again on paper everything is in Joes favor, but Mike gets a nod from his fans.

Frazier got up 6 times from Foreman, Frazier fought the likes of Ali 3 times and showed he can certainly perform under the lights and never quit. He showed vicious power dropping Ali, who has an iron chin.

I don't think people quite understand how this fight is going to look, they think Mike finds room and somehow lands a huge punch that Frazier cant get up from. This isn't gonna happen, even if Frazier goes down hes getting up. The scenario with George was he was being pushed back and not allowed to fight inside, and they decided it wasn't worth it. Joe never got koed.

Tyson, whos gonna sit in the pocket for 15 rounds while his corner yells at him, and Once Frazier gets going it ends bad.

Tysons weaponry is not much better, he's got a better right hand - but Frazier is better schooled. Tysons shots dont come off easy, hes tight and exposive, he needs room to punch. Frazier is smooth, hes got short punches, wide punches, snappy punches - slippery head movement designed to make you miss. He got hit more because he was literally coming forward 99.9 percent of the time. He fought like Henry armstrong. Tyson threw combinations which is good, Frazier threw bate punches combined with very hard single digging shots.

I don't think Frazier had bad punch resistance at all, proven by how many times he got up vs Foreman 'He would not just disappear vs Tyson, but eventually Tyson would win etc'.

[thebrownbomber_]

The question is. Was joe Frazier as strong as Holyfield

[QueensburyRules]

The question is. Was joe Frazier as strong as Holyfield

- -With or without Field vitamins?

U ain't figured it yet?

Insert Joe for Qawi first fight for the answer that has nothing to do with vitamins.

[PeasantCrusha]

No.


Tyson too fast and too powerful.


Tyson wins via KO in 4.

[QueensburyRules]

Considering both Frzier and Tyson beat men much bigger than them, and considering they are both the same height, similar reach and near identical weight - I don't think size has any factor in this matchup at all.

Holyfield beat Tyson because he stayed in close and didnt give Tyson room to punch.

- -A considered Shot at the time Field "miraculously" turned back the clock to beat a mentally and psychotropic sedative impaired Tyson who only returned to the ring because he was broke after DKing emptied his $50 mil retirement fund set up his mgrs Jimmy Jacobs.

As hollow a win as can be had in boxing.

[them_apples]

The question is. Was joe Frazier as strong as Holyfield

Frazier in my opinion is more dangerous than Holyfield and is tougher. Holyfield got stopped by Bowe, Frazier got stopped by Foreman.

I saw Holyfield get hurt in his prime as did Frazier, but both were tough as nails. Frazier is def strong enough to beat Tyson, hes got all his weight in his legs. In fact I cant see Tyson beating Frazier prime for prime unless he straight up gets lucky. I don't see how Tyson is gonna one punch ko Joe and somehow not get hit by Joe by standing right in front of him for 12 rounds. On paper people just see Tyson as a huge puncher and assume hes gonna Foreman Joe, but there is nothing in his style that could replicate that. Not only did Foreman use his reach but he also kept shoving Frazier back with his immense strength. Foreman is also an even heavier puncher than Tyson, not as quick but in the 70's was hitting like a Rhino. This fight is gonna be an inside fight for 12 rounds. Tysons gonna do a lot of waiting, maybe hurt Joe a few times, but hes gonna get beat up.