People rag on Archie Moore but overtalk Cleveland Williams

[them_apples]

Foreman compared Calzaghe to Hank Armstrong...

its true ive learned to disgregard anything Foreman says.

He was terrified of men he beat the **** out of and Oscar De La Hoya intimidates him.

[Rusty Tromboni]

f and Oscar De La Hoya intimidates him.

Amazing! That made my night!

[uncle ben]

Moore was at his best, though, as a Heavyweight. The problem Moore faced was that as he got better, his competition got bigger.


Williams' legacy supports the arguemtns of Liston and Ali's greatness. He's the only fighter that those two fought whom people feel would succeed in other eras, especially more modern ones. I don't dispute that he was quite good, and a hard puncher. But his ability is often exaggerated.

Correct. Also, I think that Moore doesn't get the credit he deserves as a HW because he lost to Marciano. So he's not counted as a "real" heavyweight but a blown up light heavyweight. But light heavyweight or not, he beat a lot of top tier heavies. Even beating the 6'3 200+ pound Nino Valdez immediately prior to facing Rocky.

I think Williams gets made into an ultimate destroyer simply because he lost to Liston who then lost to Ali and because Ali looked so spectacular beating a shell of Cleveland Williams.