Tony Galento vs Cleveland Williams

[Rusty Tromboni]

Here is the complete Louis Baer bout.

Note the introduction. Shocking listening to old school mindset vs circa 1935. This is what needs to be considered looking back upon Blacks not getting a title shot for so many years.

Note the Louis sidestepping and defense...parry, slipping and the rapid machine gun like counterpunches. Louis well known triple hook that produced the second KD was actually a penta hook. The first two he threw long and they went my over Barr’s head. Louis then corrected, shortened his hook to form the final three blows producing the KD. I discovered all this in 1973, YOU?

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5zr4xz

Uhhh... that's what you took note of!?!?!?


Not the guy fighting with TWO BROKEN HANDS!?!?!?!?


It's well-established that your elevator don't make it to the top. But even you should realize Boxers use their hands. Fighting without your hands (in Boxing), well..... isn't really fighting.

I actually think Baer showed servicable defense here.


In prime form, he would have given Louis fits. I am not picking him to win, but whoever wins it does so by laying it all out.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Galento stops him.

Galento could takes lots and lots of abuse. Williams couldn't take much at all.

Galento would also rough him up and make it dirty.


It might take years off Galento's life, but he wins this fight by finding a welcoming home for his big left in Williams' exhausted, unprotected face.

[BKM-]

Houdini seems to be talking to himself now I can imagine in the (near) future the nurses telling eachother "Oh there he goes again talking about that boxer he's in love with" while he soils himself.

But how often was he wrong?


Kinda like Hagler.


He might pay the price, but he still won the reward when he doubled-down.


Obviously it's preferable to make adjustments. And people shouldn't make Louis into something he wasn't; he was flawed.


But look at his ability to dispatch of almost everyone ever put in front of him.

But Louis did

Who was put in front of him though? These are the best fighters he faced in his career:

-Schmeling(went 1-1 with him)
-Conn(A LHW who boxed his ears off and could have won if he didn't make the mistake)
-Walcott(most believe he went 1-1 with him)
-Charles(loss)
-Marciano(KO-loss)

He was past it against some of them but again, rankings are not what could have happened, but what actually happened. Louis feasted on a weak era with the Bear's, Braddock's, Carnera's etc. many of whom still decked him and he struggled too many times for him to be called GOAT this and perfect HW this or that.

Reality simply is that his resume and the way his fights went will never support all the ridiculously overstated claims about him. He's an ATG due to his longevity, but he was flawed, struggled a lot and doesn't have the claims that his rabid fans make for him. He simply is not the GOAT most perfectly calculated technical superman inside the ring ever. Senile old men like Houdini can no longer convince everyone.

His positives were fantastic(his offense, heart and longevity) and so were his negatives(Getting decked often by weak opposition, weak chin, struggling with slick boxers) and he didn't beat any greats. Where do you rank him btw?

[Rusty Tromboni]

Houdini seems to be talking to himself now I can imagine in the (near) future the nurses telling eachother "Oh there he goes again talking about that boxer he's in love with" while he soils himself.



Who was put in front of him though? These are the best fighters he faced in his career:

-Schmeling(went 1-1 with him)
-Conn(A LHW who boxed his ears off and could have won if he didn't make the mistake)
-Walcott(most believe he went 1-1 with him)
-Charles(loss)
-Marciano(KO-loss)

He was past it against some of them but again, rankings are not what could have happened, but what actually happened. Louis feasted on a weak era with the Bear's, Braddock's, Carnera's etc. many of whom still decked him and he struggled too many times for him to be called GOAT this and perfect HW this or that.

Reality simply is that his resume and the way his fights went will never support all the ridiculously overstated claims about him. He's an ATG due to his longevity, but he was flawed, struggled a lot and doesn't have the claims that his rabid fans make for him. He simply is not the GOAT most perfectly calculated technical superman inside the ring ever. Senile old men like Houdini can no longer convince everyone.

His positives were fantastic(his offense, heart and longevity) and so were his negatives(Getting decked often by weak opposition, weak chin, struggling with slick boxers) and he didn't beat any greats. Where do you rank him btw?

First of all, my compliments to you. I know you know Boxing. But you also know this place. People can create exhausting dialogues when they see perceive iconoclasm. Since my job requires I be extra, extra nice to people, and basically sit on stand by for reports to come my way, I enjoy the vitriol. But you, sir, are doing a good deed by genuinely questioning the status quo.

Louis' consistency and performances are what stand out to me. In the same way Durans Lightweight career was curiously short on great fighters. I actually do believe DeJesus was a first rate contender who would've spelled problems for any champion. I believe Buchanan was out-right one of the finest Lightweights, who would have gone down as one of the finest champions had he not shared his prime with Duran. DeJesus troubles most champions; Buchanan beats most champions. Yet against Duran they look like absolute rubbish.

Every other Lightweight, and this is me going off the top of my head, had more impressive opposition. Usually they had several other great Lightweights on their ledger. It's the most stacked division ever, it's a given that great Lightweights fought other great Lightweights. And yet, none of them rank over DUran because of his performances.

Louis isn't as great as Duran. And the division has seen even bigger, more versatile fighters attend it. But the point is, he dispatched of opponents magnificently, and did it for a very long time.

[billeau2]

First of all, my compliments to you. I know you know Boxing. But you also know this place. People can create exhausting dialogues when they see perceive iconoclasm. Since my job requires I be extra, extra nice to people, and basically sit on stand by for reports to come my way, I enjoy the vitriol. But you, sir, are doing a good deed by genuinely questioning the status quo.

Louis' consistency and performances are what stand out to me. In the same way Durans Lightweight career was curiously short on great fighters. I actually do believe DeJesus was a first rate contender who would've spelled problems for any champion. I believe Buchanan was out-right one of the finest Lightweights, who would have gone down as one of the finest champions had he not shared his prime with Duran. DeJesus troubles most champions; Buchanan beats most champions. Yet against Duran they look like absolute rubbish.

Every other Lightweight, and this is me going off the top of my head, had more impressive opposition. Usually they had several other great Lightweights on their ledger. It's the most stacked division ever, it's a given that great Lightweights fought other great Lightweights. And yet, none of them rank over DUran because of his performances.

Louis isn't as great as Duran. And the division has seen even bigger, more versatile fighters attend it. But the point is, he dispatched of opponents magnificently, and did it for a very long time.

I knew it!! Rusty is a telemarketer! I guess the peep show booths did close after all!

[GhostofDempsey]

I don’t see Galento making the distance. Williams was a good fighter before the shooting incident that nearly killed him. He was a decent pressure fighter, and would have exhausted Galento’s stamina and broke him down with combinations to the head and body. He stopped Terrell inside the distance and was robbed in the rematch after outboxing him and not being given credit for a knockdown in the third.

[HOUDINI563]

Schmeling was a great fighter and his win over Louis was much more than Louis dropping his right hand. Schmeling used over the top strategy to defeat Louis that night. One of boxing history’s greatest technical performances.

Just as Ali’s losses to Holmes and Berbick are discounted as well as Frazier’s poor showing vs Foreman 2 and Cummings, Louis being beaten by Charles and Marciano is treated in similar fashion. Except, that is, for the uneducated.

Have you obtained a high speed modem to watch those videos yet? There you will see Louis ability to sidestep parry, slip, block, duck and counter. You will even see all this in slow motion. What a revelation for you!

[Anthony342]

Looks like The Cleveland Steamer takes another fantasy fight lol.

[Rusty Tromboni]

I don’t see Galento making the distance. Williams was a good fighter before the shooting incident that nearly killed him. He was a decent pressure fighter, and would have exhausted Galento’s stamina and broke him down with combinations to the head and body. He stopped Terrell inside the distance and was robbed in the rematch after outboxing him and not being given credit for a knockdown in the third.

He was also ridiculously easy to counter, and didn't put up much effort when placed on the backfoot.

The only reason people pretend Terrell wasn't complete rubbish and Liston was imposing is because it inflates the legend of Ali.

He came along in an era when Boxing was all but dead. In the land of the blind the man with one eye is king... or at least a reputable contender.