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- -Kiddy Norfolk never close to being the best...Duh!Originally posted by travestyny View Post
What grade U regressed to now?Comment
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Gene Tunney:
“Jack was no wild slugger. He was an extremely clever fusion of fighter and boxer. He fought out of a peculiar weave and bob and was very difficult to hit with a solid punch. In the 20 rounds I fought him – 10 at Philadelphia in 1926 and 10 at Chicago the following year – I never did get a clean shot at his jaw. He was always weaving and bobbing away from the direct line of fire.”
“Dempsey was criticized for not being able to knock out Tommy Gibbons – one of the all-time great boxers. Actually, that fight was one of Jack’s most impressive performances. Unable to reach his clever opponent with a knockout punch, he was still a fine enough combination of fighter and boxer to outscore Tommy all the way.
“But it was Dempsey the savage puncher, the scowling attacker, who thrilled the sports world. He was a great hitter. His right hand to body or jaw was explosive. Even more devastating was his left hook to liver and jaw. Weaving and bobbing, he feinted opponents into leads, slipped those leads and jolted home his short punches to body and head. He hurt and stunned opponents. He knocked them down and, eventually, kept them down.”
“The most remarkable thing about Dempsey’s fighting make-up was the shortness of his punching. His blows seldom travelled more than six inches to a foot. He had a trick of hooking his left to the body and then to the head in practically the same movement.”
“In his fight with Luis Firpo, Jack floored the huge Argentinian seven times in the first round and twice in the second before knocking him out. Yet, of all the punches he threw, only the last – a right to the jaw – was a long one.”
“All the others were short, murderous jolts and digs to the heart and the kidney and the jaw. This ability of Dempsey to generate such punishing power over a few inches of swing, without seeming leverage, traced from a quick power inherent in his unusual shoulder conformation, with its high and bulging deltoid muscles.”
“Beating Dempsey in his prime probably would have been something beyond them all, including Jack Johnson, Jim Jeffries and Joe Louis.”Comment
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If you can find someone here who said "Kiddy Norfolk is close to being the best," I will admit that you don't need your meds anymore.Originally posted by QueensburyRules View PostComment
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And there's some out there who believe he ducked Wills because he couldn't beat him, so what's the point?Originally posted by HOUDINI563 View Post
The point is we find out by having the fights...which Dempsey often avoided for some reason.Comment
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Also:Originally posted by HOUDINI563 View Post
Up into Mike Tyson's reign there were great trainers who had personally seen and worked with great fighters... Some guys were still around who had actually seen Johnson, all the way up to Tyson. At that time a sizable majority of these pundits called Dempsey the greatest heavyweight. More than Louis, many more than Ali. I believe that as a group Dempsey was usually touted as the best, then Louis and more than a few for Marciano, including Holyfields trainer for the Tyson fights who thought Marciano was the greatest.
I count those opinions very heavy because these men saw and worked with the fighters.
The other reason why I think Dempsey is ultimately legit, is his book on punching. If one reads boxing commentary from trainers, circa the mid eighteen hundreds up until Jack, one of the biggest problems is getting fighters to employ the strong hand and to hit hard. Dempsey really understood this situation and presented a simple, direct and intelligent manner in which a man could square up and employ all his weapons in the ring. Dempsey clearly understood his craft.Comment
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My father, who was close to the sport, watched Dempsey and Louis train many times and Louis fight numerous bouts all through the 30’s and 40’s. He always felt that both fighters had differing styles but similar offenses. Fast short punching with Dempsey firing to the body more so than Louis and Dempsey being the more durable. He always felt, as did others, that the initial Dempsey rush would be too much for Joe to handle. However if he got through the first 2-3 rounds the odds of victory would tip to Louis. (as it would indicate Joe was able to muffle the Dempsey rushes).
Fleischer originally favored Dempsey in a bout with Louis by early ko but this changed as the years went by. As of the late 60’s Nat stated that both fighters hit equally hard but Joe had better boxing ability. He favored Louis by ko in six rounds at that time.Comment
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- -Been donating my meds to U kiddie chest of donated meds for wayward kids.Originally posted by travestyny View Post
Jack went on a Grand American tour in the 30s where he took on all comers including active boxers.
Where were U heroes hiding then?Comment
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