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  • Bundana
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    Most mismatches relative to entire body of work? 1st price in this catagory, I would say goes to Pascual Perez!

    He finished at 84-7-1, which sounds respectable enough - but a quick scan of his record reveals the "thinnest" resume of any 20th century champion.

    54 of his wins came against opponents who had not registered a single win - 32 of these after he became champion. I don't think, it can get much worse than that!

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      #12
      Originally posted by Bundana
      Most mismatches relative to entire body of work? 1st price in this catagory, I would say goes to Pascual Perez!

      He finished at 84-7-1, which sounds respectable enough - but a quick scan of his record reveals the "thinnest" resume of any 20th century champion.

      54 of his wins came against opponents who had not registered a single win - 32 of these after he became champion. I don't think, it can get much worse than that!
      What a strange record, how do you find that many fighters making their debut?

      The funny thing is, his title fights (save for one) are all against fighters with 20-30-40, and even one guy with 54, wins, and he won those fights. He even does well in rematches. Can't figure that! It's as if he was taking win credits for his sparing or something. An amazingly padded record, but the guy could step up.

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      • Rusty Tromboni
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        #13
        Originally posted by aboutfkntime
        Carpentier was a phenom

        not a natural heavyweight
        More of a Heavyweight than Fitzsimmons, Burns, Hart, Langford (early on), Loughran, or Conn.

        The Cruiser/Light Heavyweight division was fledgling. He really wasn't much smaller than Dempsey.

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          #14
          Originally posted by Bundana
          Most mismatches relative to entire body of work? 1st price in this catagory, I would say goes to Pascual Perez!

          He finished at 84-7-1, which sounds respectable enough - but a quick scan of his record reveals the "thinnest" resume of any 20th century champion.

          54 of his wins came against opponents who had not registered a single win - 32 of these after he became champion. I don't think, it can get much worse than that!
          Records are incomplete.

          I believe Lanngford really fought Newbies. But Pasquales oppoments' record a simply haven't been uploaded yet.

          Originally posted by Willie Pep 229
          What a strange record, how do you find that many fighters making their debut?

          The funny thing is, his title fights (save for one) are all against fighters with 20-30-40, and even one guy with 54, wins, and he won those fights. He even does well in rematches. Can't figure that! It's as if he was taking win credits for his sparing or something. An amazingly padded record, but the guy could step up.
          BoxRec just needs more help from our bros in Argentina

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            #15
            Langford.

            He was better than Wills and Johnson. But that record is horrible.

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            • Ben Bolt
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              #16
              Originally posted by Rusty Tromboni
              Langford.

              He was better than Wills and Johnson. But that record is horrible.
              Sam Langford will be remembered 100 years from now.
              Rusty Tromboni won't. Neither will I.
              Don't foolish ourselves.

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              • HOUDINI563
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                Only Rusty would classify a universal ATG p4p fighter as having a horrible record. Rusty...tell everyone all the experts that believe this to be true.

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                • aboutfkntime
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                  #18
                  Originally posted by Rusty Tromboni
                  More of a Heavyweight than Fitzsimmons, Burns, Hart, Langford (early on), Loughran, or Conn.

                  The Cruiser/Light Heavyweight division was fledgling. He really wasn't much smaller than Dempsey.


                  he was very similar to Fitzsimmons, who was not a real heavyweight either

                  those guys were both middleweights, and would fight no higher than LHW today... in this era they could probably have full careers at 160/168... Dempsey would only be a cruiser today, and in this era could possibly have been a career LHW

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                    Sam Langford

                    211-43-52 (with NWS)

                    178-29-38

                    It's an impressive record but there's no 'nino benvenuti 60 straight wins' in his career. When you include NWS bouts his longest streak is 34 fights without a loss, but that includes five draws. His second longest streak is 29 fights, but that also includes five draws.

                    I guess when you are fighting to eat, at times up to three times a month, you're going to drop a few.

                    Most opponents have wining records. But other than the classics (Wills/McVea/Jeannette) I don't recognize the names. (But I'm sure that is my failing.)

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                    • HOUDINI563
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                      Dempsey was a ripped 190 lb heavyweight. No chance he fights at light heavyweight.

                      Remove ROIDS from the heavyweights of the last 30 years and you will have many tall lanky heavyweights. Fighters that look like Hercules now look like a normal athlete.

                      Give Jack Dempsey ROIDS and you have a monster.

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