Better resume: Floyd Mayweather Jr or Jack Dempsey?

[Marchegiano]

Dude, I wrestled in College, was scouted for Baseball, played varsity football my sophmore year of HighSchool. I currently own several properties.

If that's not good enoughfor you, OK.

The point is, you say ****** sh.it. Call if personal or whatever you want, you fill these boards with your crazy aspergersy rants. It's nice you like having weird tangents and conversations with yourself. But you gotta accept that you're gonna get called out.

Funny how that works.

Bundana is a poster I respect, you aren't. No offense or anything, actually, but you get it. I hardly assume you respect me.

I didn't write what I wrote to interest Bundana or to piss you off, but, that is the effect of the work isn't it?

That's interesting...to me.



Because you are the type to get angry and personally offensive over a post that begins with a preamble that amounts to "Do not take this too seriously."


Yeah, I am still down to compare if you want to. That's not got me even a little bit shook. You don't know who is on the other keyboard and maybe I should humble you? Maybe the threat of it is good enough? It is silly isn't it? You don't have to be a ****.

[ShoulderRoll]

So it seems some disagree that Sharkey was the best fighter Dempsey beat.

The other candidates mentioned in the other thread included Fred Fulton and Gunboat Smith.

Also Tommy Gibbons and Georges Carpentier, both who were champions in lighter weight classes and moved up to heavyweight to challenge the bigger Dempsey.

Am I missing any other candidates?

And are these names better than the likes of Pacquiao, Canelo, De La Hoya, etc?

[HOUDINI563]

“Dude, I wrestled in College, was scouted for Baseball, played varsity football my sophmore year of HighSchool. I currently own several properties.”

Can we all laugh at him together?

[Rusty Tromboni]

And are these names better than the likes of Pacquiao, Canelo, De La Hoya, etc?

Yup.

Floyd didn't meet a single one of them at their peak, or best weight.

Hernandez, Corrales, Castillo, Hatton, Judah and Maidana were. And I'd actually concede Cotto and Moseley were closer to their best than most believe. But the very best names on his resume were far from their best days.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Can we all laugh at him together?

You can laugh, but it's no secret that the only position you ever played was "Left Out".

I'm sure your Bowling League thinks you're a stud. But your physical impotence rings through clearly in every post you make.

[HOUDINI563]

Rusty, ever watch the TV show, LOST? You should because you are. Chose another sport to follow perhaps wrestling.

[Marchegiano]

Why don't you recognize Jem Mace?

I would have had I known of him, now I do, thanks for the education.

How many straight Queensberry rules did John L actually fight? One, two more than Mace?

Actually most of them, his championship fights were bare knuckle, the rest of this fights 30 were gloved and MQB. But that's irreverent, I'm still with you!

OOOOOhhhhhh, but, I mustn't re-categorize theses "champions" because in their time they were considered what we call them today.

Yrs that is exactly the point we are dis*****g. Stop doing that.


Oh but champion, that's one to be judged outside it's time. World however, mustn't re-considered from what was considered the world in the 1870s/80s

No, it is because the man was called 'champion' by his contemporaries and you should respect that. That's the arrogance I complain of.


How is it you take issue with me personally not feeling like less than global infrastructure means less than global champions

Because you are discrediting past men's achievements based on contemporary standards. It is a historical foo-pah!

BUT take no issue with well respected historians re-categorizing history for reasons unknown and perpetuating that re-classification from their respected seat?

Sure I do, and they are not considered 'respected' historians when they do that, just popular magazine writers and forum posers.

But it is all OK . . . there will be payback; your grand children will smirk at, and demean all your achievements as well, and then the past will have gotten even with you!

P.S. Sorry, I didn't mean to ignore the boldface remark above, I didn't understand it.

For the most part, that's damn fair. I am good about becoming what it is I mean to push against and mostly you've pointed out that's all I've done....well, in my protest or defense anyway that's all I've done.

However, I do struggle to see globalization as a standard rather than a matter-of-fact state of infrastructure and growth.

Am I to pretend Olympians are interdimensional champions whose lureals go beyond life into heaven because the ancients did?

How about their depiction of "world" ?

At a certain point truth is lost. Dempsey, no matter what old standard you use or what feelings you have, simply did not fight the world. He fought white americans. That's the truth. To use some standard from the past to minimize the magnitude of difference in infrastructure between 1920 and 2020 is kinda.....childish, which is a term I hate to use toward you because you're not childish, but, I dunno how else to say it without adding more insult by talking to you like a child so I just tell you direct like.


Boxing simply is bigger. Denying that to preserve the respect of characters seems childish.


Think about what I'm saying, surely I am burying more than my favorite Marciano by saying this. Everyone before the 90s had someone excluded who is not today. Like everyone else here, that's the vast majority of figures I respect the most. I can't do a 90s or newer top ten ATG list, it'd suck, but, I can't likewise claim the 50s had the infrastructure or inclusion of the 90s.

..sucks for Marciano who took on all challengers, all races, all nationals, no problem, not even a story about Marciano maybe might have ducked maybe, nadda, the dude fought anyone put in front of him. It sucks for him they're all Americans because boxing was Ameri-centric at the time. However, just because I like the guy, he fought the world of his time, and there's no evidence he ever shied away from any damn fool does not mean Marciano or even the 1950s as a whole was much of a global fighter or global sport.

World champion, fought 6 times against international opposition. Not much World in that Champion. I can say " but he fought everyone though" or "But that was the world then though" I don't care because that sounds more like an excuse than a negating factor.

If the Khanate had captured the entire Old World, all asia, africa, and europe, and bragged about the global domination of the Khanate would we today say they controlled the planet or they believed they did because they did not know about America? Obviously the latter right? No one pretends the Old World is the Whole World because we found the New World......so why should I pretend like White America, or Mixed Race America, equals all continents man lives on?

Dempsey and Marciano, Ali, everyone, Holmes even, all of them, smaller world, it's not a standard, it's just a fact.

[HOUDINI563]

Dempsey fought the European Heavyweight champion and the best out of South America at that time.

Ali fought the best from Europe, Canada and SA as well.

Nothing new here.

[Marchegiano]

Current champ: 31 fights, 21 against foreign opposition.

Champ before him: 69 fights, not one against his own countrymen.

Dempsey: 85 fights, 2 against foreign comp


nothing has changed doe.

[HOUDINI563]

Current champion is foreign born so of course most all his bouts are against European opponents. Look at Schmeling record.

Dempsey as heavyweight champion defeated the European champion as well as the best from SA. You inferred past champions were less so because they did not fight opponents from other parts of the world. Not so.

Ali fought the top opponents from Europe, Canada and SA.

Nothing new here.