Jack Dempsey's Refusal to Fight Joe Jeanette

[travestyny]

Try to the forget the 'what's right' stuff . . . Jeannette made his move because he wasn't going to get a shot any other way.

That's makes it justifiable, but he still had to reach down inside himself and come up Machiavellian to make that move, at that time. It took Dempsey over 20 fights in 18 months get in that position; a little more respect for Dempsey's effort and opportunity was in order.

A little more respect for Dempsey? really?


Joe Jeannette was 39 mufvkking years old. lol.


Another interesting thing. Dempsey was announced as champion at the fund because apparently everyone expected him to beat up on Willard anyway. This was probably as close as Jeanette was going to get to the "championship." Also helps explain his thought process.

Actually the last part of what I typed is what you said above. I typed it to you in a quoted message but canceled it because you are doing some weird thing where ur are not quoting me....but now your non quoted message seems like it's to me so uh.... yea.

[QueensburyRules]

A little more respect for Dempsey? really?


Joe Jeannette was 39 mufvkking years old. lol.


Another interesting thing. Dempsey was announced as champion at the fund because apparently everyone expected him to beat up on Willard anyway. This was probably as close as Jeanette was going to get to the "championship." Also helps explain his thought process.

Actually the last part of what I typed is what you said above. I typed it to you in a quoted message but canceled it because you are doing some weird thing where ur are not quoting me....but now your non quoted message seems like it's to me so uh.... yea.

- -Yeah, U got the pre-civil war southern belle vapors.

No surprise to anyone on this board.

[travestyny]

- -Yeah, U got the pre-civil war southern belle vapors.

No surprise to anyone on this board.

Go take your meds and take a nap.

[Marchegiano]

"it was understood that he excepted negroes" is funny wording.

[Willie Pep 229]

What about Dan Dan McKetrick?

Unless I am confused with the name we have Dan McKetrick championing Joe Jeannette cause for a title shot with Jack Johnson in 1914, but then Dan McKetrick appears as an official spokes-person for Kearns/Dempsey in 1922.

Same guy?

If so where was Dan McKetrick during the Jeannette-Dempsey incident 1918?

I find it hard to believe that Joe Jeannette was operating that night all on his own and McKetrick seems just like the type of guy to make such a move.

[travestyny]

What about Dan Dan McKetrick?

Unless I am confused with the name we have Dan McKetrick championing Joe Jeannette cause for a title shot with Jack Johnson in 1914, but then Dan McKetrick appears as an official spokes-person for Kearns/Dempsey in 1922.

Same guy?

If so where was Dan McKetrick during the Jeannette-Dempsey incident 1918?

I find it hard to believe that Joe Jeannette was operating that night all on his own and McKetrick seems just like the type of guy to make such a move.

How much could he have been involved?


"Hey, Joe, go ask Bonds if he will change places."

[QueensburyRules]

- -Jeanette career caput by 1919 after a long career.

Like I stated, Jack a po'boy at the mercy of Kearns did a slam dunk in getting him a title shot.

Kearns made the decision not to fall for the obvious set up to fight Jeannette on a few min notice.

For little guys like teensy, well what else can we say about a guy with his own blow up Dempsey doll?

That dolly means every thing to him.

[Willie Pep 229]

How much could he have been involved?


"Hey, Joe, go ask Bonds if he will change places."

Come on, you know he didn't enter the ring alone that night, he had seconds, and likely a manger with him. There had to be a match-maker, or a promoter, or some form of commission (no NYSAC yet) running the event, not to mention announcers and referees who had to be queued. It didn't happen in a vacuum.

[travestyny]

Come on, you know he didn't enter the ring alone that night, he had seconds, and likely a manger with him. There had to be a match-maker, or a promoter, or some form of commission (no NYSAC yet) running the event, not to mention announcers and referees who had to be queued. It didn't happen in a vacuum.

No no, I agree with you. I'm sure McKetrick was there. But what I'm saying is that if this was cooked up right there at the show, there's only so much he could have done to play his part. Pass Joe the $100? Help him convince Bonds?

Maybe he's the one that said, "If Dempsey won't fight, hit him."

[BattlingNelson]

I do not own the book, currently, but I believe I've sourced the page all the same. It reads about right, but the internet does do a good job at mislabeling and without the book I can't confirm this is what it says it is.

Anyway, here she is boys

Page 48 Manassa Mauler by Randy Roberts:



I'll OCR it like I did the Greb-Gans transcription if it helps, but, looks readable to me....I mean I read it.

I wonder what Joe said?

Let's do a little timeline shall we? The fight mentioned above with Levinsky was nov 6 1918.

Nov 2: El Paso Herald:

Will you permit me to offer a suggestion. which I believe, if carried out will add a good many thousand dollars to the united war work council fund. I have offered to fight gratis any of the leading heavyweights for any war chanty. I now propose to reel request to Mr. James W. Coffroth to match me with Jack Dempsey or Jess Willard. They cannot honestly re the worn out excuse of the colorline, for the money earned from this fight will be used by these wonderful organizations co help amuse and surcor our gallant fighters, irrespective of race, color or" creed.

The fact that I am supremely confident of beating "Willard or Dempsey is not my reason for wanting to meet them They may claim that I want a chance to win the world's champion-- ship. That title means nothing to me. I am so sure to beating either of this pair that I will sign an agreement to Immediately retire and turn over the championship to the United States army and navy with the understand- ing that they can offer the title to e fought for between men in the ser-v.r- c. for that is where the heavy- weight championship of the world rsbiaBv belonga They are the real Xjrh-er- s we of the padded mlts

Nov 10 Washington Times. Coffroth trying to set up a card so far failing to get Dempsey. Jeanette features

After proudly claiming that he would have Jess Wlllard Jimmy Wilde and Georges Carpentier as headliners In the Six boxing carnival In Madison Square garden next Saturday night. "Sunny Jim" Coffroth finds himself compelled to feature Benny Leonard, the lightweight tltleholder. Leona- - is a New York boy, and. while deservedly popular, cannot begin to drew such a crowd as would flock ta see Wlllard. Dempsey, Wilde, and Here Is the card:

Benny Leonard, lightweight champion, vs. Jack Brltton. former Johnny Dundee vs. Jo Wellinr. IL S. N. Frankle vs. Barney Adair. Willie Jackson vs.. Eddie Wallace. Knockout Eggers vs. Frankle Burns. Benny Volger vs. Leo Jim Coffey vs. Clay Turner Joe Jeanette vs. Kid Norfolk The prices Will be from $1 to $10.

Nov 16 The Boxing Carnival is advertised in the New York Tribune to be staged the same night It's headline by Dempsey vs. Bonds. Jeanette is on the underccard vs. Kid Norfolk.

Nov 18 New York Tribune features a report from what happened:

Sport Triumphs Despite Bolsheviki


THE SPORTSMANSHIP of New York has always been above su****ion and reproach. Local sport and sportsmen helped mightily toward the success of last week's drive for the United War Work fund. Every branch and element contributed soulfully and whole-heartedly.

The sponsors oi the boxing carnival at Madison Square Garden, and especially Jimmy Coffroth, deserve volumes of praise. In spite of bitter disappointments in the matter of sickness and injury to a number of stars of the first order who had volunteered their athletic services the entertainment would have been a tremendous success but for the Bolshivik tactics of some few notoriety seekers that the game can well spare.
The unspeakable in unsportsmanship of these, who will be dealt with at length, subsequently came very near to "crabbing" the show.

Without the consent or knowledge of the management it was attempted to ring in the pottering negro, Joe Jeanette against Jack Dempsey though Joe Bonds, originally announced to box the heavyweight sensatión, was ready and willing to fulfil his obligations. This was one of the most contemptibly, cowardly bits of cheap notoriety seeking ever perpetrated in the East.

The move, which cast a pall over the rest of the entertainment,
which the boxers partirdpating really fought, instead of the customary hippodroming, proved anything but edifying to a sport which needs boosting and not knocking in this state. It placed in an unfavorable light before the unthinking element of the spectators, a boxer who is a credit to the game -Jack Dempsey- who not only made business sacrifices to contribute his services, but gave $500 cash toward the fund as well.

The sportsmanship of the crowd was attested by the voluntary cash contribution on the side of more than $17,000. The unsportsmanship boxing's Bolsheviki will be dealt with to-morrow.

Well does this settle it?

Anyway I'm not sure what Bolsheviki means, but the russian revolution obviously happened a year ago....