Jack Johnson backed out of signed contract to rematch Langford

[GhostofDempsey]

Here's another fun fact: Wills lost to both McVea and Langford in 1914.

Jack Johnson lost the title to Willard in 1915.

During which time period of Johnson's reign was Harry Wills even on the map as a contender to Johnson? Let alone as someone that would excite the public to pay to see in a title fight?

Wills also fought them to draws. Tony Ross had back to back losses when he got his shot at Johnson...how was he any more deserving? Entered the fight with 9 losses. Jack Murray was coming off a loss to a guy who was 4-0-3 when he got his shot at Johnson...how was he more deserving?

Jim Johnson lost to Jeannette 3x, McVea and Langford and still got his shot at Johnson. Langford would go on to beat him 10x more after the Johnson fight. Jeannette and McVea would go on to beat Jim Johnson 5x each afternoon he fought Jack. All Jack could muster against him was a draw. Wills beat Jim Johnson the year Jack lost his title. Wills would have been a more compelling and competitive fight than Murray, Ross, Jim Johnson and Kaufman. Johnson wasn’t making $30k to fight all of them, yet demanded that against Langford and Jeannette.

Johnson had agreed to fight Langford for $10K in 1911 (that is $20K less than he demanded in 1909), but of course he backed out of that one too.

https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2306&dat=19110128&id=kBInAAAAIBAJ&sjid=YgMGAAAAIBAJ&pg=5307,3746279&hl=en

[travestyny]

Ooops. He took me off ignore because he couldn't handle the truth I was dropping in a thread that he can't control by banning me from it

Travesty hasn’t proven anything. You are dismissed.

Oh, yes I have. That's why you banned me from this thread

It’s over alright, I proved McKetrick was a liar. Johnson himself said he drew the color line. Your meltdowns won’t change that. You’ve wasted enough of mine and everyone else’s time with your buffoonery. Off you go.

Yes! Tell me more! Please tell us all how Joe Jeannette's manager greatly benefits by Joe Jeannette NOT fighting for the title, as you have stated. I came back just to hear more of this fantastical story!

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By the way, I see you below talking about anonymous articles.

Aint that rich coming from you since you were the only one busted for shopping around fraudulent quotations in that other thread. Aint that right, GhostofForgery.

[GhostofDempsey]

Ooops. He took me off ignore because he couldn't handle the truth I was dropping in a thread that he can't control by banning me from it




Oh, yes I have. That's why you banned me from this thread




Yes! Tell me more! Please tell us all how Joe Jeannette's manager greatly benefits by Joe Jeannette NOT fighting for the title, as you have stated. I came back just to hear more of this fantastical story!

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This childish taunting behavior is exactly why you went on ignore. It's also exactly what you wanted so you could get me off the threads and you can spout your anonymous 100 year old articles as infallible proof without anyone calling you out on it.

[Dr. Z]

@ travestyny, hopefully you can at least read the headlines

$60,000 OFFER TO JOHNSON to fight Langford, Jeanette and McVey

https://www.nytimes.com/1912/09/13/a...ld-be-his.html

I think I'll list them one at a time. It's very entraining to see all these excuses. Now try to shoot down the source. All of them.

[Dr. Z]

Wills also fought them to draws. Tony Ross had back to back losses when he got his shot at Johnson...how was he any more deserving? Entered the fight with 9 losses. Jack Murray was coming off a loss to a guy who was 4-0-3 when he got his shot at Johnson...how was he more deserving?

Jim Johnson lost to Jeannette 3x, McVea and Langford and still got his shot at Johnson. Langford would go on to beat him 10x more after the Johnson fight. Jeannette and McVea would go on to beat Jim Johnson 5x each afternoon he fought Jack. All Jack could muster against him was a draw. Wills beat Jim Johnson the year Jack lost his title. Wills would have been a more compelling and competitive fight than Murray, Ross, Jim Johnson and Kaufman. Johnson wasn’t making $30k to fight all of them, yet demanded that against Langford and Jeannette.

Johnson had agreed to fight Langford for $10K in 1911 (that is $20K less than he demanded in 1909), but of course he backed out of that one too.

https://news.google.com/newspapers?n...,3746279&hl=en

Solid information GhostofDempsey! Travestyny should quit while be's behind. Not only did Johnson duck his 4-5 best competition as champion, he also had mediocre results. I'll make an assumption that Travestyny is aware of that, and has excuses for that too.

[QueensburyRules]

Wills also fought them to draws. Tony Ross had back to back losses when he got his shot at Johnson...how was he any more deserving? Entered the fight with 9 losses. Jack Murray was coming off a loss to a guy who was 4-0-3 when he got his shot at Johnson...how was he more deserving?

Jim Johnson lost to Jeannette 3x, McVea and Langford and still got his shot at Johnson. Langford would go on to beat him 10x more after the Johnson fight. Jeannette and McVea would go on to beat Jim Johnson 5x each afternoon he fought Jack. All Jack could muster against him was a draw. Wills beat Jim Johnson the year Jack lost his title. Wills would have been a more compelling and competitive fight than Murray, Ross, Jim Johnson and Kaufman. Johnson wasn’t making $30k to fight all of them, yet demanded that against Langford and Jeannette.

Johnson had agreed to fight Langford for $10K in 1911 (that is $20K less than he demanded in 1909), but of course he backed out of that one too.

https://news.google.com/newspapers?n...,3746279&hl=en

- -Liston U, jush hush and drink the Weensie koolaide and soon U be leaping over skysc****rs and twisting steel railing into pretzels like JJ...

[GhostofDempsey]

Solid information GhostofDempsey! Travestyny should quit while be's behind. Not only did Johnson duck his 4-5 best competition as champion, he also had mediocre results. I'll make an assumption that Travestyny is aware of that, and has excuses for that too.

- -Liston U, jush hush and drink the Weensie koolaide and soon U be leaping over skysc****rs and twisting steel railing into pretzels like JJ...

A while back I posted a thread that delved a little deeper into the "greatness" of some of these fighters from the Johnson era. I posted videos of McVey, Jeannette, Wills and some others that exposed their style of punch and clinch. I realize this was a very common boxing style for the era, but that style of wrestling in the clinches for the upper hand would certainly have played in Johnson's favor over his considerably smaller opponents such as Langford, McVea, Jeannette, Burns, and the like. Same was true for Wills.

[Dr. Z]

A while back I posted a thread that delved a little deeper into the "greatness" of some of these fighters from the Johnson era. I posted videos of McVey, Jeannette, Wills and some others that exposed their style of punch and clinch. I realize this was a very common boxing style for the era, but that style of wrestling in the clinches for the upper hand would certainly have played in Johnson's favor over his considerably smaller opponents such as Langford, McVea, Jeannette, Burns, and the like. Same was true for Wills.

Agreed. Holding and hitting were hallmarks of Johnson style. He really had to get up close, and was better on the inside vs Moran, and did very little outside vs Willard.

I have Langford vs Jeannette.Those guys were in there to land punches. Langford is really impressive. Jeannette had appear like jab. MCvey is limited on film, but but and strong for sure. Johnson avoided all three from 1909-1914.

I'd like to see that thread.

[GhostofDempsey]

Agreed. Holding and hitting were hallmarks of Johnson style. He really had to get up close, and was better on the inside vs Moran, and did very little outside vs Willard.

I have Langford vs Jeannette.Those guys were in there to land punches. Langford is really impressive. Jeannette had appear like jab. MCvey is limited on film, but but and strong for sure. Johnson avoided all three from 1909-1914.

I'd like to see that thread.

Here it is https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/s...d.php?t=775942