Langford or Tunney?

[JAB5239]

- -Never fought an eliminator, but he turned down the one he was offered.

Norfolk was for Wills colored title. Dempsey fought Sharkey with the winner getting Tunney.

For eliminators to occur, there has to be authorization by a ruling authority, ie Rickard in this case.

What grade did you finish? I don't see that you picked up an iota of gravitas after all these years.

Norfolk-Wills was In 1922. How long was Wills seen as Dempsey's too contender before the Tunney wanting to fight Wills sham?

[JAB5239]

You are making bold assumptions. Dempsey had already signed two contracts to fight Wills but Wills people failed to deliver the agreed upon advance. Name one fighter in recent decades who would agree to a fight if conditions of a contract aren’t met? If checks bounce?

Tunney signed a contract to fight Wills, and Wills declines the fight. Wills got pummeled by Sharkey, and would likely have been pummeled as bad or worse by both Tunney and Dempsey.

The Dempsey-Wills bogus contracts have been well documented. The fact is Wills was the number one contender from 1922 on and Dempsey fought others instead even though the public clamoured for the Wills fight.

As far as Tunney signing a contract.....who made the contract up, and why would Wills sign when he had been getting shafter for several years as the number one contender?

[GhostofDempsey]

The Dempsey-Wills bogus contracts have been well documented. The fact is Wills was the number one contender from 1922 on and Dempsey fought others instead even though the public clamoured for the Wills fight.

As far as Tunney signing a contract.....who made the contract up, and why would Wills sign when he had been getting shafter for several years as the number one contender?

The contracts were only bogus because Wills people never produced the money. Those are facts that cannot be disputed.

Why would Wills turn down $250K for Tunney-his highest ever payday, just to lose to Sharkey?

[Rusty Tromboni]

Do me a favor and stick to boxing.

Don't be jealous when I give other girls attention. There's plenty of me to go around, kitten.

[travestyny]

The contracts were only bogus because Wills people never produced the money. Those are facts that cannot be disputed.

Why would Wills turn down $250K for Tunney-his highest ever payday, just to lose to Sharkey?

Since you're in here discussing this, I assume we can discuss civilly.


You say the "facts" can't be disputed, but the "facts" HAVE been disputed. It's false that the money wasn't there. Even your own post that you keep copying and pasting mentions it, but it doesn't address the aftermath. The ONLY thing it says is that Doc Krone says the money was there. And guess what...the money was there. I've already proven that the money was there.

B. E. Clements of the Chicago Coliseum club backs up his injunction secured recently in Denver barring jack Dempsey from meeting Gene Tunney until the champion meets Harry Wills in a Chicago battle with a $300,000 guarantee check posted in Dempsey's favor with the Equitable Trust Co., of Chicago. Photo shewn, left to right: W. A. Nieol, cashier of the Equityable Trust Co., of Chicago; "Doc" Krone, promoter of Pat Carr'a Christmas Fund for Poor Kids, who will benefit from the fight funds; John F. Gordon, fight promoter, and B. E. Clements, president Chicago Coliseum club (shown presenting check to bank cashier).

https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/117171729/

As for Wills/Tunney, Jab makes perfect sense of course. Wills wanted and deserved his shot. He already fought in an eliminator as you admit to, and he was chasing Dempsey for years. And when the Tunney fight came up, Dempsey was UNDER CONTRACT to fight Wills and ducked it.

[QueensburyRules]

Norfolk-Wills was In 1922. How long was Wills seen as Dempsey's too contender before the Tunney wanting to fight Wills sham?

- -First ever Ring ratings I already noted began in 1924 by Rickard in 1924 has Wills as #2 in anticipation of the coming eliminator tourney for the right to fight Dempsey.

What grade U finish, 1st?

[JAB5239]

The contracts were only bogus because Wills people never produced the money. Those are facts that cannot be disputed.

Why would Wills turn down $250K for Tunney-his highest ever payday, just to lose to Sharkey?

Because at the point Wills fought Sharkey, Dempsey and Tunney were already signed screwing Harry out of yet another opportunity. The Sharkey-Wills was nearly a month after Dempsey lost to Tunney.

[JAB5239]

- -First ever Ring ratings I already noted began in 1924 by Rickard in 1924 has Wills as #2 in anticipation of the coming eliminator tourney for the right to fight Dempsey.

What grade U finish, 1st?

You're not very bright. Yes, Wills was rated number two. This is because the number one spot was occupied by the champion, Dempsey. Thank you for proving that Wills was STILL his top contender at that time and the following year.

[GhostofDempsey]

Since you're in here discussing this, I assume we can discuss civilly.


You say the "facts" can't be disputed, but the "facts" HAVE been disputed. It's false that the money wasn't there. Even your own post that you keep copying and pasting mentions it, but it doesn't address the aftermath. The ONLY thing it says is that Doc Krone says the money was there. And guess what...the money was there. I've already proven that the money was there.

As for Wills/Tunney, Jab makes perfect sense of course. Wills wanted and deserved his shot. He already fought in an eliminator as you admit to, and he was chasing Dempsey for years. And when the Tunney fight came up, Dempsey was UNDER CONTRACT to fight Wills and ducked it.

I was speaking to the first two attempts at making the fight in that response. The third attempt is up for debate and whichever side of the fence you fall on. As we've discussed in the past, there is two sides to this, and by the third attempt, Wills people hadn't learned anything. You can continue to copy and paste the same articles that contradict my sources, but we'll end up chasing our tails again.

[GhostofDempsey]

Because at the point Wills fought Sharkey, Dempsey and Tunney were already signed screwing Harry out of yet another opportunity. The Sharkey-Wills was nearly a month after Dempsey lost to Tunney.

What made Harry entitled to the shot in 1926? He hadn't fought for a year. His last fight was Oct 1925, Tunney's was December 1925. If anyone could have made a case that year it was Sharkey, who has already fought about 5 or 6 times that year.

Harry and his people didn't want to risk an almost certain loss to Tunney. I can respect Wills for wanting the title more than the $250K losing to Tunney, but given what we know now, Wills would not have stood a chance against Tunney or Dempsey, considering the beat down he took from Sharkey and getting KO'd the year after by Uzcudun.