Luck McCarty vs Jack Johnson

[Ivich]

- -JJOHNSON had fled for Paris and looking for another white guy.

21 yr old Luck officially 15-0, 15 KOs and holder of the showy white title with better results with common opposition, but more importantly, in between fight he was headlining in packed wild west shows, big stuff and big biz.

Johnson wired his mgr Billy McCarty who accepted immediately, but after the Pelkey match scheduled in a few days in Tommy Burns' new Canadian arena.

Alas, in one of those inexplicable Luck died in a fight that had scarcely started. Speculation has it he had been Thrown from his horse during a solo foray into the Rocky Mountains between training.

Doubtless the bout was to be held in JJ new home of Paris.

History might have been rewritten from what we know today. A few years later another cowboy relieved JJ of his belt in a huge upset.

Poor Pelkey had done literally nothing, but was hauled off to jail on murder charges and had to go into heavy debt defending himself and died a long drawn out tragedy. Burns' arena burned to the ground the very next day, a tale so bewildering that The Bard hisself would've been flabbergasted.

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Johnson offered to defend his title against McCarty in Canada.Burns whose cash cow was Pelkey wired back ," it would not be in the best interests of boxing",but he really meant in the best interests of Burns.

[QueensburyRules]

Johnson offered to defend his title against McCarty in Canada.Burns whose cash cow was Pelkey wired back ," it would not be in the best interests of boxing",but he really meant in the best interests of Burns.

- - Hence I stated more probably the fight would be in Paris who would be agog over the Big Young Strapping Cowboy and his 6-6,300 lb Indian Medicine Man Daddy if you wish to talk of Daddies in boxing.

[Ivich]

- - Hence I stated more probably the fight would be in Paris who would be agog over the Big Young Strapping Cowboy and his 6-6,300 lb Indian Medicine Man Daddy if you wish to talk of Daddies in boxing.

How much Native American blood McCarty's Father had is problematical ,some said he was a gypsy from Italy. McCarty's name meant nothing in Paris or in any other country for that matter.The fight would have been staged by Tommy Burns in Canada.

[QueensburyRules]

How much Native American blood McCarty's Father had is problematical ,some said he was a gypsy from Italy. McCarty's name meant nothing in Paris or in any other country for that matter.The fight would have been staged by Tommy Burns in Canada.

- - You know bugger all about American fighters. Dempsey went on a French tour and was wildly popular.

More importantly we know the French staged the Battling Johnson fight and were pushing for Langford and Jeanette, hence in frustration stripping JJ for Sam and Joe to have a World Title fight in a classic won by Sam. There were no Black vs Black Hvy title bouts in the US until Joe Louis came along. The US had JJ under conviction, so the Burns venue just more of your French Fairie dust you sprinkle on your fried French Snails.

[Dr. Z]

Who was Pelkey? Johnson was a flash point. Jack London hated him with a passion. So, here was this man's man (London) strevedore, writer, working class hero for the rights of the oppressed... writing books about animals that adults and child alike could read and relate to, and writing socialist tomes, that predate 1984.

this same man is calling Johnson horrible names, and imploring a member of the White Race to end Johnson in the ring. Its just crazy. London was a major influence on bringing Jeffries out of retirement to fight when Big jeff, a geniunely nice guy who could bring it, should have been allowed to retire in peace.

Pekey fought for the white heavyweight of the world.

Luther McCarty beat Jack Johnson title opponents more impressively than he did! Like Frank Moran, Fireman Flynn, and Al Kaufman. And he drew with Jess Willard , who of course knocked Johnson out!


If this fight take place in 1914 he likely knocks Johnson out. Johnson was on the slide by 1913.

• DeWitt Van Court, boxing instructor of James J. Jeffries, asserted that McCarty was "[...] unquestionably the greatest young heavyweight prospect since the days of John L. Sullivan. McCarty had a huge frame, standing six feet four inches tall and having a reach of eighty-one inches. He weighed 205 pounds and stripped in the finest of condition and had really only begun to fill out at the time he died."
• Dan Cuoco, boxing historian and director of the International Boxing Research Organization stated, "Luther McCarty was big and strong and considered by most boxing experts as the best of the 'White Hopes."^]
• Billy McCarney, promoter of McCarty, elected McCarty as the greatest heavyweight ever. He anticipated that people would think sentiment caused him to choose McCartysince he developed and managed him but gave his reasons as follows. "[McCarty] was a natural born fighter. He had only two years of ring experience. Never had seen a boxing bout until he was forced in as a substitute at a show he attended with some cowboy friends [...] He was a combination of speed, cleverness, gameness and hitting ability. Immune to
• punishment, loving the lust of battle, gifted with every physical requirement - Luther McCarty was the world's greatest heavyweight"
• John Lardner, American sports writer, conceded that McCarty "may well have been the best fighter of all the white hopes." He quotes Fleischer as saying, "There is little doubt that had McCarty lived he would have won the title [...] McCarty ... was not as big as Willard, but he was quite large ... and fast for his size."

[Ivich]

Pekey fought for the white heavyweight of the world.

Luther McCarty beat Jack Johnson title opponents more impressively than he did! Like Frank Moran, Fireman Flynn, and Al Kaufman. And he drew with Jess Willard , who of course knocked Johnson out!


If this fight take place in 1914 he likely knocks Johnson out. Johnson was on the slide by 1913.

Fair play to Johnson for offering to defend against McCarty then! lol

Billy McCarney was his manager,hardly an objective source!

Nat Fleischer? Remind us again whom he picked as his number 1 heavyweight of all time?
Wasn't it someone called Jack Something? Johns was it? No, I remember now ,it was Johnson.Jack Johnson!

PEKEY?

[Ivich]

- - You know bugger all about American fighters. Dempsey went on a French tour and was wildly popular.

More importantly we know the French staged the Battling Johnson fight and were pushing for Langford and Jeanette, hence in frustration stripping JJ for Sam and Joe to have a World Title fight in a classic won by Sam. There were no Black vs Black Hvy title bouts in the US until Joe Louis came along. The US had JJ under conviction, so the Burns venue just more of your French Fairie dust you sprinkle on your fried French Snails.

Dempsey was the worlds champion. McCarty an unknown outside the US and Canada .
Johnson offered to defend his title in Canada which, last time I was there,[in Toronto,] is outside the jurisdiction of the US.

The French Federation stripped Johnson of his title for 3 weeks, on the grounds that he was a convicted felon,

I posted their statement from Victor Dreyer yesterday!
When the International Boxing Union failed to follow suit, the French Federation reversed their decision and stripped Langford whom they had awarded their version of the crown to for his win over Jeannette.
Langford then fought Mathew Curran in the same arena he had fought Jeannette,it was NOT billed as a title fight of any kind,because of course it wasn't.
Seems I know a bit more about it than you do Forum's Fool .lol

07 May 1914 - JOHNSON CHAMPION. - Trove (nla.gov.au)

[Dr. Z]

How much Native American blood McCarty's Father had is problematical ,some said he was a gypsy from Italy. McCarty's name meant nothing in Paris or in any other country for that matter.The fight would have been staged by Tommy Burns in Canada.

The sir name was Scottish, which could mean he was the best Scottish heavyweight ever. It would not take much to be the #1 Scottish heavyweight of all time. I myself can not name a good one. He doesn't look native American, though he defectively had some native American blood as did Jack Dempsey. Like 25% of less. Most African American people have roughly 20% of white DNA .

[Dr. Z]

Fair play to Johnson for offering to defend against McCarty then! lol

Billy McCarney was his manager,hardly an objective source!

Nat Fleischer? Remind us again whom he picked as his number 1 heavyweight of all time?
Wasn't it someone called Jack Something? Johns was it? No, I remember now ,it was Johnson.Jack Johnson!

PEKEY?

Where is the contact? Without it is just another headline that is tough to confirm. Did McCarthy at least say Johnson offered him a fight? Where? Produce the news link.

IMO, Johnson avoided fight with Gunboat Smith a man who knock him silly in execution match, ( when Smith was inexperienced ) and beat his some of his title opponents and a guy named Langford.

Without a doubt Johnson avoided his chief competition more so that another heavyweight champion ( while he was active ) and he drew with a journeyman and Super middle weight as champion, getting knocked out by one of the worst champions of all time. Got it?

[Ivich]

Where is the contact? Without it is just another headline that is tough to confirm. Did McCarthy at least say Johnson offered him a fight? Where? Produce the news link.

IMO, Johnson avoided fight with Gunboat Smith a man who knock him silly in execution match, ( when Smith was inexperienced ) and beat his some of his title opponents and a guy named Langford.

Without a doubt Johnson avoided his chief competition more so that another heavyweight champion ( while he was active ) and he drew with a journeyman and Super middle weight as champion, getting knocked out by one of the worst champions of all time. Got it?

Johnson telegraphed Tommy Burns offering to defend against McCarty in Burns arena.
Burns made a public statement saying he would not promote Johnson as he was detrimental to boxing.
Graeme Kent in his White Hopes book states McCarney ,McCarty's manager was in negotiations with Johnson for a title fight when they took the Pelkey fight.

In actual fact Burns wanted his meal ticket Pelkey [not Pekey]loL to fight McCarty ,[not McCarthy] and he thought Johnson would beat McCarty and blow the prospect to that fight out of the water its all in Pollacks book.
How many boxing contracts do you have?
Produce a newspaper heading in which Smith challenges Johnson?

Where is the evidence that Johnson avoided Smith?

Smith never implied that in his interview with Peter Heller,nor did he say he knocked Johnson silly, he said he knocked him through the ropes.

Smith was stopped by 2 journeymen in1910 .
1911 Lost to 2 journeymen and was kod by lourneyman Jack Geyer 11-3-1
1912 lost to Geyer again. Lost to journeyman Jim Stewart.Lost to Porky Flynn.Beat Moran in a stinker in which half the audience walked out
1913 Won a dubious decision over Langford.
1914 Lost to Carpentier.Ko'd by Langford
When did Smith show himself to be the foremost challenger to Johnson,which year?

Johnson was knocked through the ropes in a spar with Smith he continued the spar and finished the 4 rds,then he sparred 8rds with42 other sparring partners.
Johnson boxed Smith first .4rds
Armstrong 2 rds
Arslinger 2 rds
Mills 2 rds
Lanum 2rds
If Johnson was knocked silly by Smith as you have told us about 100 times , about twice a week on average! Is it likely he would then spar another 8 rds immediately afterwards ?
The San Francisco Evening Post said Smith knocked Johnson down.

The San Francisco Call who had a reporter present never mentioned any KD

The San Francisco Examiner likes wise never mentioned any KD

The San Francisco Chronicle;
"There are a number of contradictory stories about the knockdown Gunboat Smith is said to have scored on Johnson".

" The story that Gun Boat Smith knocked Johnson down in a sparring exhibition Sunday afternoon was a bit stretched.
Johnson slipped on the canvas and the balance of the yarn was easy to concoct."

There was speculation that the KD was contrived to
boost the gate for the Johnson v Ketchel fight.

George Little Johnson's manager said the canvas should have been sprinkled before the spar but it was not and this accounted for the slip,that is obviously what a manager would say,and is probably damage limitation .

So we have ONE paper saying it happened.
Two never mentioning any KD .
One saying it was a slip.

Bottom line a champion may or may not have been legitimately floored in a sparring session.
BIG DEAL!

Some of Smiths performances.

912-01-05	190	215		Jack Geyer	13 5 2		Dreamland Rink, San Francisco	L-PTS	10/10		event bout score wiki
ref: Bert McCullough Half the spectators left in disgust in the seventh round. 1912-09-30 179 188¼ Jim Savage 18 5 2 Madison Square Garden, New York W-KO 3/10 event bout score wiki ref: Billy Joh The bout was "slow and uninteresting, and the finish as mysterious as it was unexpected...The pair had just broken from a clinch in the centre of the ring when Savage went to the floor. He laid on his back with both arms outstretched and did not move a muscle" while counted out. He had been hit by a "long swinging right ... but it did not seem hard enough to knock him out". (New York Times).

1912-12-11	184	179		Harry Wuest	16 6 7		Fairmont A.C., The Bronx	W-TKO	1/10		event bout score wiki
2:00 ref: Billy Joh Referee stopped the bout to save Wuest from a knockout. Smith had been warned repeatedly about hitting on the break, and many at ringside thought the ref had disqualified Smith. After the bout Joh said "I ought to have disqualified him." 1912-12-27 186 206 Frank Moran 22 7 5 Dreamland Rink, San Francisco W-PTS 20/20 event bout score wiki ref: Jim Griffin Smith floored Moran at the bell ending the second round. The crowd was so disgusted with this bout that half walked out after the 15th round

1913-11-17				Sam Langford	94 9 27		Atlas A.A., Boston	W-PTS	12/12		event bout score wiki
ref: **** Fleming Smith relied almost totally on a stiff left jab, but Langford seemed unfazed by it and bided his time, working to the body. Late in the fight he began a serious assault and had Smith bleeding freely. When referee Fleming raised Smith's arm in victory, many ringsiders were surprised. (This "mixed bout" had previously been banned by the state of New York.)

1913-06-27	180¾	183½		George Rodel	19 7 3		Madison Square Garden, New York	W-TKO	3/10		event bout score wiki
ref: Billy Joh Referee Joh refused to count over Rodel, claiming he had quit. 1913-11-17 Sam Langford 94 9 27 Atlas A.A., Boston W-PTS 12/12 event bout score wiki ref: **** Fleming Smith relied almost totally on a stiff left jab, but Langford seemed unfazed by it and bided his time, working to the body. Late in the fight he began a serious assault and had Smith bleeding freely. When referee Fleming raised Smith's arm in victory, many ringsiders were surprised. (This "mixed bout" had previously been banned by the state of New York.)

914-01-01	180	205		Arthur Pelkey	21 6 4		Coffroth's Arena, Daly City	W-TKO	15/20		event bout score wiki
ref: Jim Griffin White Heavyweight Championship of the World The bout was stopped after Pelkey rose at nine unsteady from a knockdown. According to a story in a Calgary paper, Pelkey's wife asserted that he took this fight only because he was bankrupted by legal fees stemming from the hearings into the death of McCarty. 1921-10-10 Harry Wills 68 6 6 Stadium, Havana L-KO 1/20 event bout score wiki 1:07 Wills landed the only six blows of the fight, including a right to the back of Smith's head and a terrific left uppercut to the jaw that sent him to the floor where he was counted out. Bob Martin 32 6 0 Huntington L-KO 3/10 event bout score wiki 1921-03-09 178 182½ Al Roberts 21 5 1 Commonwealth Sporting Club, New York L-KO 10/12 event bout score wiki ref: Danny Sullivan 1920-10-21 177 165 Harry Greb 164 10 14 Springbrook Park, South Bend L-KO 1/10 event bout score wiki ref: Edward W Smith Surgeons were summoned to examine Smith when "Greb, after a few clinches, landed a hard left on Smith's right eye, injuring the optic nerve and blinding him. A second later he landed a right on Smith's jaw, knocking him out." Tacoma News Tribune Doubts were expressed that Smith wsould recover the use of his right eye, but of course he did so. Greb displayed blinding speed during his attack. The ring was erected in front of the baseball stands in Springbrook Park and "illuminated by an array of iights extended to the four corners of the ring." 2, 000 fans attended. 1920-09-06 Bob Roper 12 12 4 Fort Worth W-NWS 10/10 event bout score wiki Ft. Worth Star-Telegram. It was a close fight but Smith won "by a shade". 1920-08-09 Bob Roper 12 12 3 Columbus D-PTS 15/15 event bout score wiki Some sources indicate this bout occurred in Akron, OH. However, the Philadelphia Record and the Milwaukee Journal both give Columbus as the location. 1920-08-03 Texas Tate 23 6 6 Panther Park, Fort Worth W-NWS 12/12 event bout score wiki Smith won the newspaper decision. (Daily Northwestern) 1920-07-15 198 172 Chuck Wiggins 29 10 9 Ramona Baseball Park, Grand Rapids L-NWS 10/10 event bout score wiki Results from the Bay City Times. 1920-06-26 Tony Melchior 7 1 0 East Chicago W-NWS 10/10 event bout score wiki Smith won the newspaper decision. (Iowa City Press Citizen) The Chicago Tribune had the same result. 1920-05-13 Lee Anderson 13 5 9 Coliseum, San Francisco L-PTS 4/4 event bout score wiki The San Francisco Chronicle reported that Anderson "gave away twenty pounds, a head in height and plenty of reach" to Smith. 1920-04-07 Fred Fulton 58 7 1 Arena, Milwaukie L-KO 2/10 event bout score wiki ref: Denver Ed Martin Smith down twice in 1st, and again for count in 2nd 1920-03-10 Andre Anderson 15 11 1 American Legion A.A., Fresno W-PTS 4/4 event bout score wiki San Francisco Chronicle 1920-02-25 Bill Tate 15 20 2 Auditorium, Oakland L-PTS 4/4 event bout score wiki 1920-02-04 Willie Meehan 92 22 40 Auditorium, Oakland W-PTS 4/4 event bout score wiki Meehan was knocked down in the 2nd 1920-01-23 Carl Morris 48 16 4 American Legion A.A., Fresno W-PTS 4/4 event bout score wiki 1919-12-11 Ole Anderson 7 3 4 Coliseum, San Francisco D-PTS 4/4 event bout score wiki 1919-12-03 Carl Morris 47 15 3 Auditorium, Oakland D-PTS 4/4 event bout score wiki 1919-11-19 Bill LaRue 7 1 0 Auditorium, Oakland W-PTS 4/4 event bout score wiki Smith dropped LaRue twice in the last round. 1919-11-05 Frank Farmer 32 11 20 Arena, Seattle L-PTS 6/6 event bout score wiki Smith's Seattle debut, per the Seattle Star. But the Nov. 2 Post-Intelligencer mentions his 1909 Seattle ring appearance with Denver Ed Martin. 1919-10-30 Boy McCormick 15 4 2 Coliseum, San Francisco L-PTS 4/4 event bout score wiki 1919-10-23 Edward KO Kruvosky 33 14 16 Coliseum, San Francisco L-PTS 4/4 event bout score wiki Kruvosky ran afoul with the law after this bout leading to inactivity 1918-12-30 178 190 Jack Dempsey 50 4 9 Broadway Auditorium, Buffalo L-KO 2/8x0 event bout score wiki Dempsey knocked Smith down with a left jolt a minute into round one. For the remainder of the round Smith was on the defensive, trying unsuccessfully to parry or slip the punches that put him down repeatedly. Smith again went on the offensive at the start of the second, but Dempsey easily sidestepped the veteran fighter and put him down again. A short right to the head laid Smith out for the full count, he'd been down a total of 9 times. 1918-07-12 179 178 Billy Miske 41 7 13 International League Ballpark, Jersey City L-NWS 8/8 event bout score wiki ref: Harry Ertle Miske "outfought 'Gunboat' Smith of New York in all but the fifth of a 10-round bout here last night." (Newark Advocate) The Philadelphia Record reported the same result. The Jersey Journal had the same result, but shows that it was an 8-rounder, not 10 (as shown here previously). (Fights longer than 8 rounds were not permitted in New Jersey at this time.) 1918-07-04 Tom McMahon 39 34 12 Highland Park, Dayton D-PTS 15/15 event bout score wiki 1918-05-27 Leo Houck 112 26 22 Frank Erne Club, Lancaster L-NWS 6/6 event bout score wiki The Harrisburg Patriot gave it to Houck by a wide margin. Newspaper draw from the Philadelphia Record. 1918-04-12 Billy Miske 38 6 12 Auditorium, Atlanta L-PTS 10/10 event bout score wiki ref: Billy Haack 1918-04-01 Clay Turner 22 2 1 Majestic Theatre, Wilkes-Barre L-NWS 10/10 event bout score wiki Newspaper decision from the Philadelphia Record. 1918-03-08 Hugh Walker 7 3 6 Joplin L-NWS 12/12 event bout score wiki Newspaper decision from the Chicago Tribune. 1918-02-18 Emmett 'Kid' Wagner 24 18 6 Majestic Theatre, Wilkes-Barre W-NWS 10/10 event bout score wiki (Wilkes-Barre Times-Leader) 1918-01-09 Charley Weinert 37 9 4 Marieville Gardens, North Providence L-PTS 12/12 event bout score wiki Evening Tribune 10 January 1918 1917-11-27 185 220 Fred Fulton 34 5 0 Arcadia Rink, Minneapolis L-TKO 7/10 event bout score wiki ref: George Barton In the 4th round, Fulton hammered Smith against the ropes and a turnbuckle snapped, collapsing the ropes encircling the ring. It took some five minutes for repairs to be made. By the 7th, Smith was staggering around blindly when his corner threw in the sponge. 1917-10-02 Jack Dempsey 29 3 9 Recreation Park, San Francisco L-PTS 4/4 event bout score wiki ref: Toby Irwin Smith and Dempsey did not fight a 4-rounder on October 16, 1917, as was previously shown here. That entry was a duplicate of this one. 1917-09-07 180 198 Frank Moran 32 14 5 St. Nicholas Arena, New York W-NWS 10/10 event bout score wiki Newspaper decision from New York City newspapers (Jack Kincaid). 1917-08-20 174 179½ Kid Norfolk 35 13 5 Airdome A.C., Rochester L-NWS 10/10 event bout score wiki ref: Jake Carey Newspaper decision from the Rochester Herald (Paul Zabala). "Kid Norfolk carried the battle all the way, seldom giving Smith an opportunity to set himself for a telling punch. Smith claimed to have hurt his right hand in the third round." (Iowa City Citizen) 1917-08-10 Bill Tate 13 15 2 Brown's Gym A.A., Far Rockaway, Queens W-NWS 10/10 event bout score wiki Newspaper decision from the Philadelphia Record, Boston Globe, and from New York City newspapers (Jack Kincaid). 1917-08-03 178 183 Kid Norfolk 34 12 5 Urban Liberty Park, Buffalo L-NWS 10/10 event bout score wiki ref: Marve Smith Buffalo Evening News scored it 4-2-4 for Smith; two other local papers gave Norfolk a shade, and one had it a draw. 1917-06-02 Jack Clifford 2 4 1 Clermont Avenue Rink, Brooklyn W-NWS 10/10 event bout score wiki Newspaper decision from New York City newspapers (Jack Kincaid). 1917-05-29 177 168¾ Bob McAllister 24 1 6 Pioneer Sporting Club, New York D-NWS 10/10 event bout score wiki Newspaper draw from New York City newspapers (Jack Kincaid); also Lincoln Daily Star (wire). One wire report from New York had McAllister winning. 1917-02-16 Jack Dillon 164 13 19 Louisiana Auditorium, New Orleans L-PTS 20/20 event bout score wiki There were no knockdowns. Dillon was credited with nine rounds, Smith with only three, while eight rounds were even. 1917-01-31 Jack Moran 4 6 2 Coliseum, Saint Louis D-PTS 12/12 event bout score wiki ref: Eddie Randall 1917-01-01 182½ 180½ Battling Levinsky 123 27 27 Clermont Avenue Rink, Brooklyn L-NWS 10/10 event bout score wiki Levinsky "cleverly outpointed" Smith. (Warren Evening Mirror) Newspaper decision from New York City newspapers (Jack Kincaid). 1916-12-25 183 207 Tom Cowler 34 9 1 Flower City A.C., Rochester L-NWS 10/10 event bout score wiki Newspaper decision from the Rochester Post Express. Cowler won in decisive fashion, the Gunner's blows having no effect when he was able to land cleanly. 1916-12-18 186 197½ Frank Moran 31 12 5 Clermont Avenue Rink, Brooklyn W-NWS 10/10 event bout score wiki Smith won the newspaper decision according to the New York Times. Smith won six of the ten rounds, but was nearly KO'd by Moran in the 5th. 1916-10-10 Battling Levinsky 121 24 26 Arena (Armory A.A.), Boston L-PTS 12/12 event bout score wiki 1916-10-03 177½ 210½ Joe Cox 14 6 2 Broadway Arena, Brooklyn W-NWS 10/10 event bout score wiki Newspaper decision from New York City newspapers (Jack Kincaid). 1916-09-26 177¼ 206½ Tom Cowler 31 8 1 Broadway Arena, Brooklyn W-NWS 10/10 event bout score wiki Newspaper decision from the Brooklyn Daily Eagle 1916-09-23 Jim Coffey 36 9 1 National A.C., Philadelphia W-NWS 6/6 event bout score wiki Newspaper decision from the Philadelphia Public Ledger and the Philadelphia Record were both in favor of Smith. 1916-09-18 194 182 Cleve Hawkins 9 10 3 Clermont Avenue Rink, Brooklyn W-TKO 3/10 event bout score wiki Hawkins took a seven-count in round three and then was forced to quit because of a fractured rib. 1916-07-10 Tom McMahon 33 29 10 Rochester W-NWS 10/10 event bout score wiki Newspaper decision from the Rochester Herald (Paul Zabala). 1916-06-07 Arthur Pelkey 25 20 4 Phoenix A.C., Memphis W-PTS 8/8 event bout score wiki ref: Billy Haack 1916-05-15 Battling Levinsky 114 24 23 Olympia A.C., Philadelphia L-NWS 6/6 event bout score wiki The Philadelphia Record called it a draw. The Philadelphia Public Ledger gave Levinsky the edge. 1916-04-28 184 191 Bob Devere 21 5 2 Arena, Syracuse W-NWS 10/10 event bout score wiki ref: Tom Cawley Smith won the newspaper decision according to the Syracuse Herald (Paul Zabala). 1916-04-07 Carl Morris 37 8 2 Tulsa L-PTS 10/10 event bout score wiki 1916-03-30 183 195 Porky Dan Flynn 44 23 19 Manhattan Opera House, New York L-NWS 10/10 event bout score wiki Flynn won the newspaper decision (Chicago Tribune). Flynn was the winner according to New York City newspapers (Jack Kincaid). This was a promotion of the Stadium A.C. 1916-03-14 180½ 170¼ Jack Dillon 152 8 18 Broadway Arena, Brooklyn L-NWS 10/10 event bout score wiki Dillon won the newspaper decision. (Washington Post) Dillon was the winner according to New York City newspapers (Jack Kincaid). 1915-11-29 180½ 202 Jim Coffey 33 8 1 Madison Square Garden, New York L-KO 4/10 event bout score wiki 1:55 NY Evening World listed Smith as 175lbs. 1915-11-09 182 198 Joe Cox 13 3 2 Coliseum, Saint Louis W-NWS 8/8 event bout score wiki ref: Harry Sharpe Newspaper decision from the Philadelphia Record. 1915-10-06 Colin Bell 35 14 2 Sohmer Park, Montreal L-PTS 10/10 event bout score wiki In what was one of his best ever efforts, Australia's Bell clearly outpointed the American.Montreal Gazette 1915-10-04 183 208 Al Reich 15 5 1 St. Nicholas Arena, New York W-NWS 10/10 event bout score wiki New York Times 1915-09-04 174 190¼ Sailor Jack Carroll 22 11 6 Broadway S.C., Brooklyn W-NWS 10/10 event bout score wiki Newspaper decision from New York City newspapers (Jack Kincaid). 1915-08-18 182 184 Jack Hemple 11 3 1 St. Nicholas Arena, New York W-NWS 10/10 event bout score wiki New York Times 1915-07-28 182 205 Tom Cowler 28 4 1 St. Nicholas Arena, New York W-NWS 10/10 event bout score wiki New York Times. In the 4th round Smith's head met Cowler's eye and opened a cut that bled profusely. Cowler proved an open target for the Gunner's left hook, and when Smith's overhand rights were blocked the ex-tar switched to the right uppercut and landed again and again until Cowler was a bloody mess. Cowler showed to good advantage slugging in close to the body, but Smith's experience was too much for him. 1915-07-01 180 177 Charley Weinert 28 4 4 Ebbets Field, Brooklyn L-NWS 10/10 event bout score wiki New York Times, and other New York City newspapers (Jack Kincaid). 1915-05-10 **** Gilbert 13 26 7 National A.C., Denver W-NWS 12/12 event bout score wiki "Gunboat Smith had the better of **** Gilbert in their twelve-round bout which opened the National Athletic Club in Denver." (Range Ledger) 1915-04-20 Tom McCarty 19 3 6 Arena (Atlas A.A.), Boston W-PTS 12/12 event bout score wiki 1915-04-13 180 177 Charley Weinert 28 3 4 Broadway Arena, Brooklyn W-NWS 10/10 event bout score wiki New York Times had Weinert the winner, but most other New York City newspapers gave it to Smith (Jack Kincaid). 1915-03-27 180 194 Jack Reed 11 19 0 Irving A.C., Brooklyn W-NWS 10/10 event bout score wiki New York Times 1915-03-16 182¼ 171 Jack Dillon 130 6 16 Auditorium, Milwaukee L-NWS 10/10 event bout score wiki ref: Harry Stout Newspaper decision from the Milwaukee Free Press 1915-02-01 Fireman Jim Flynn 66 27 22 Ohio National Guard Armory, Cincinnati W-NWS 10/10 event bout score wiki New York Times 1915-01-27 179 171 Battling Levinsky 79 20 20 Greenwall Theater, New Orleans W-PTS 20/20 event bout score wiki Reported in the New Orleans Times-Picayune (Jack Kincaid). 1915-01-01 Battling Levinsky 78 20 19 Auditorium, Waterbury D-PTS 12/12 event bout score wiki A tall story was circulated, told years later by Levinsky's manager, Dan Morgan, to the effect that Levinsky had three fights on this date. However, despite much effort, only the fight was Smith has been found. The story seems to have been an invention of Morgan's. 1914-12-28 185 182 Chick Carsey 7 9 5 Long Acre A.C., New York W-TKO 3/10 event bout score wiki 1914-12-23 182 190 Tom McCarty 15 0 4 Manhattan Casino, New York W-TKO 4/10 event bout score wiki ref: Dan Tone This was a promotion of the Empire A.C. McCarty elects to slug it out with Smith and is even with the Gunner until the 4th when he catches a booming right on the jaw that puts him down. Instead of taking nine, McCarty scrambles up at 3 and walks into another right that pitches him back on the ropes before hitting the canvas. Again he lurches to his feet only to be met by Smith's left hook and put down again. Before the ref can count he drags himself up by the ropes but is saved by Referee Tone. 1914-12-15 180 198 Jim Coffey 24 6 1 Madison Square Garden, New York W-NWS 10/10 event bout score wiki Newspaper decision from New York City newspapers (Jack Kincaid). 1914-10-20 200 Sam Langford 104 10 30 Atlas A.A., Boston L-KO 3/12 event bout score wiki ref: Jack McGuigan A sweeping right put Smith down in round 1. A left hook put Smith down for seven in the second round, before the knockout at just over 2 minutes in the third. Days later Smith claimed he'd been sick.

Smith was floored by a super middle and beaten by him for the title of White Heavyweight Champion. Carpentier was 20years old and a month earlier had refereed Johnson v Moran,in the film of the fight he looks like a boy against them asked if he wanted to fight Johnson he said," I am not ready for him.,I am too light",yet he floored and beat Smith?
one was against Moran in which half the audience left in disgust.
Has a record of 52-28-10 and was ko'd 12 times! Why would Johnson avoid him?
There was a narrow window of about a year when Smith would have been a viable challenger for Johnson,that ended when he was beaten by Carpentier and obliterated by Langford.


EXECUTION MATCH! You couldn't make this **** up!LOL

Without doubt you are the most phobically obsessed Johnson hater any boxing forum has had the misfortune to entertain