31 yr old Fury vs 31 yr old Ali

[billeau2]

- -25 when he fought Terrell and Folley and 24 before that.

Generally the athletic prime starts at 23 and ends at 32, all dependent on injury toll.

When I was 25 pretty sure I could whip both Godzilla and King Kong on the same night.

You never had an athletic prime?

Ali was denied the best part of his career...his prime. Heavyweights prime late twenties... yeah I am sure you did think you could do so...why does that not suprise me? Ending up a bitter c u n t for the trouble, oh well... No suprises there either.

[billeau2]

There was never a more protected HW than Ali. Fixes in his favor, judges giving him gift-wrapped decisions. He made a lot of money for the networks and promoters and no one was going to risk derailing the money train. Fury would not gas himself out by falling for the rope-a-dope tactic, and Ali would be without any of the height and reach advantage he had over most of his best wins. He was not a body puncher, and I can't see him working his way to the inside to get to Fury, which is really his only chance. Fighting from the outside it's Fury's night.

Ali did get some gift decisions...mostly towards the end of his career when he should not have been fighting. I think a lot of fighters did get a few... Lewis who did not get so many had that disaster against Ray Mercer where the judges let him slide. I use that as an example.

I also think Fury would be a really tough fight for Ali. Ali did not use a lot of punches and did not have power to spare. Ali could catch one with counters that were really sharp and this might be a problem for Fury when he is using his poleaxe jab. On the other hand, when Fury does not sit down on the jab he throws it at an angle where it is tough to get over the elbow for a counter.

Definitely a bad style match up for Ali. And frankly, we have not seen the best of fury yet. Fury may be an alltime great. If he beats Joshua in a commanding fashion then I would definitely consider him. Traditionally if you look at most heavyweights in history, many of the greats did not necessarily fight great comp.

[QueensburyRules]

Ali was denied the best part of his career...his prime. Heavyweights prime late twenties... yeah I am sure you did think you could do so...why does that not suprise me? Ending up a bitter c u n t for the trouble, oh well... No suprises there either.

- -Musta confused Ali early start in the rankings with U cornflakia ambling ramblings.

27-31 barring injury generally the peak athletic years before decline.

And U hold a doctorate?

[QueensburyRules]

Ali did get some gift decisions...mostly towards the end of his career when he should not have been fighting. I think a lot of fighters did get a few... Lewis who did not get so many had that disaster against Ray Mercer where the judges let him slide. I use that as an example.

I also think Fury would be a really tough fight for Ali. Ali did not use a lot of punches and did not have power to spare. Ali could catch one with counters that were really sharp and this might be a problem for Fury when he is using his poleaxe jab. On the other hand, when Fury does not sit down on the jab he throws it at an angle where it is tough to get over the elbow for a counter.

Definitely a bad style match up for Ali. And frankly, we have not seen the best of fury yet. Fury may be an alltime great. If he beats Joshua in a commanding fashion then I would definitely consider him. Traditionally if you look at most heavyweights in history, many of the greats did not necessarily fight great comp.

- -U 2x champ has zero defenses. Ali still be undefeated lineal champ without defenses.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Facts are facts... Interpret them anyway you want but when the government takes the best years away from a man, one owes the courtesy of not misspeaking on such an issue. Your opinion about Frazier and Ali is unique. Saying who was more diminished sort of cancels out the fact that two great fighters who were still plenty great fought a hell of a series...win lose or draw. I don't think we can measure diminishment that way here, but that is just me...kind of saying one one legged man is more one legged than another? maybe?

It's funny how you plead facts then peddle unsubstantiated opinion.


Ali was 29 when he lost to Frazier. 31 when he lost to Norton. 34 when he list to Young. His prime was clearly spent in the ring

(Which is unusual in Boxing, many fighters better than Ali never had so many years to work with. )

If you think Frazier was ever the same after the FOTC Boxing isn't your sport. If you think abandoning Clancy for Futch was a good idea your thoughts are on par with a man who was suffering severe CTE.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Ali did get some gift decisions...mostly towards the end of his career when he should not have been fighting. I think a lot of fighters did get a few... Lewis who did not get so many had that disaster against Ray Mercer where the judges let him slide. I use that as an example.

I also think Fury would be a really tough fight for Ali. Ali did not use a lot of punches and did not have power to spare. Ali could catch one with counters that were really sharp and this might be a problem for Fury when he is using his poleaxe jab. On the other hand, when Fury does not sit down on the jab he throws it at an angle where it is tough to get over the elbow for a counter.

Definitely a bad style match up for Ali. And frankly, we have not seen the best of fury yet. Fury may be an alltime great. If he beats Joshua in a commanding fashion then I would definitely consider him. Traditionally if you look at most heavyweights in history, many of the greats did not necessarily fight great comp.

And then you turn around and post- intelligent posts like this.

You're good at trolling me, i'll give you that. Somehow i feel there's an offer for a bridge in brooklyn coming my way...

[Rusty Tromboni]

- -U 2x champ has zero defenses. Ali still be undefeated lineal champ without defenses.

So what?

By that standard there's never been a better fighter than Khaosi Galaxy

Your boy toy Langford never even held a championship. And lost every match he took against every prime fighter his own size.

[Rusty Tromboni]

There was never a more protected HW than Ali. Fixes in his favor, judges giving him gift-wrapped decisions. He made a lot of money for the networks and promoters and no one was going to risk derailing the money train. Fury would not gas himself out by falling for the rope-a-dope tactic, and Ali would be without any of the height and reach advantage he had over most of his best wins. He was not a body puncher, and I can't see him working his way to the inside to get to Fury, which is really his only chance. Fighting from the outside it's Fury's night.

This.

Fury is too big and skilled. He's also as smart or smarter than Uncle Angelo. "Youve blown it, son" will come the day ali signs to fight Fury.

[billeau2]

- -Musta confused Ali early start in the rankings with U cornflakia ambling ramblings.

27-31 barring injury generally the peak athletic years before decline.

And U hold a doctorate?

Facts are facts...learn to use them, you used to have an occasional good post and now? your a bitter queen.

[billeau2]

And then you turn around and post- intelligent posts like this.

You're good at trolling me, i'll give you that. Somehow i feel there's an offer for a bridge in brooklyn coming my way...

I will tell you the same thing i told queeny: facts are facts. when you construct your own mythology and expect others to participate you at least need to present facts and not keep ******ing red herrings. I don't mind new ideas if they make sense. Your estimation of Foreman requires facts because outrageous ideas require exceptional proof. most people no matter what you believe, would not think wilder has done enough to be compared to George Foreman. And when I asked you to support this crazy line, you went into some tailspin about fighters knocking others out.

LOOK at the TAPE you can see what wilder and Foreman can do... Its right there!