Greater Fighter Lomachenko or Robinson

[Rusty Tromboni]

try google. You do know what that is. Do i have to teach you everything?

I googled "grown man cannot grow body hair".

The host from "Iron Chef" came up.

It felt great, after all these years, finally putting a name to a face.

But I don't get why you couldn't just tell me.

It was kinda fun solving the puzzle, though.

[Rusty Tromboni]

We aren't taking about Ray Robinson right now we are talking about Lomo and Rigondeaux. Speaking of Ray and deflection, you never answered my question of who I didn't see fight out the fighters that I never mentioned as you claimed.

I do apologize if that came across as a deflection.

Do you mind asking it, again, though? Whatever I missed it was just oversight. I looked back at your post, and I thought I responded accordingly.

Donaire was being hyped as the next big thing. That came crashing down against Rigo. Against both Rigo and Inoue he showed skill and a lot of grit. He didn't meet the hype, but he's a very good fighter with lots to be proud about - even in defeat.

[TonyGe]

Lets put Rusty aside for a moment. We all know hes a dumb shlt.
Here is why Loma as of NOW should NOT be compared to the greats and especially SRR. (WTF lol)
Because hes only had 15 fights as a pro. 6 years as a pro. And granted he is one of if not the most talented fighter ive seen in many years he just does not have the years experience AS A PROFESSIONAL FIGHTER to be compared to the late greats and the living greats.
It does not diminish is talent at all. Just keep it up and surely he will be compared rightfully. For all we know he could lose his next 5 fights or 10 out of next 20 fights. Who knows. And will his first 15 fights cement him as one of the best then? Dont think so.
We have all seen fighters rise and fall. On occasion we see then Rise and rise and rise and never fall and some stumble back and come back to rise again. Some also have short lived successes and never come back. So NO. With only 15 fights and one being a loss and only 6 yrs as a pro...to soon. Amateurs and Pros are two different mountains to climb!

I agree comparing a current fighter before his career is over to a past fighter is not realistic. Like you said some fighters go into a rapid fade. I remember Donald Curry being a beast then he went into decline. John Mugabi was another one. No shame in losing to Hagler but he fell apart after that. Lomo could get caught by a big puncher and never recover his chin. You never know..

[billeau2]

Lets put Rusty aside for a moment. We all know hes a dumb shlt.
Here is why Loma as of NOW should NOT be compared to the greats and especially SRR. (WTF lol)
Because hes only had 15 fights as a pro. 6 years as a pro. And granted he is one of if not the most talented fighter ive seen in many years he just does not have the years experience AS A PROFESSIONAL FIGHTER to be compared to the late greats and the living greats.
It does not diminish is talent at all. Just keep it up and surely he will be compared rightfully. For all we know he could lose his next 5 fights or 10 out of next 20 fights. Who knows. And will his first 15 fights cement him as one of the best then? Dont think so.
We have all seen fighters rise and fall. On occasion we see then Rise and rise and rise and never fall and some stumble back and come back to rise again. Some also have short lived successes and never come back. So NO. With only 15 fights and one being a loss and only 6 yrs as a pro...to soon. Amateurs and Pros are two different mountains to climb!

In my opinion I tend to be very conservative about whom compares...For all the reasons you cited, and because I want to see certain things like: How they do when they fight another great fighter, the general level of competition...Yeah Lomo beat world champions but there are so many divisions these days... Also I want to see a quality that Lennox Lewis had...Will Loma fight the young dogs like Hanney? So I incline more towards your point of view.

I do like someone who challenges our thinking. If you (the impersonal you) can make me say "yeah that is an interesting point" I will listen. I think this guy made a few decent points... None of which is to say we can compare Loma to Ray Robinson! Lol!

[billeau2]

I agree comparing a current fighter before his career is over to a past fighter is not realistic. Like you said some fighters go into a rapid fade. I remember Donald Curry being a beast then he went into decline. John Mugabi was another one. No shame in losing to Hagler but he fell apart after that. Lomo could get caught by a big puncher and never recover his chin. You never know..

And that, to me, is the crux of the issue. A perfect example would be: I happen to adore Ward. How great was Ward? I don't think we will know for years... How great will Kovalev turn out to be? etc. Great point.

[ShoulderRoll]

Lol thanks for the points raised. Shoulder we all have different levels of sensativity towards comments people make. As crazy as it sounds, given where and the way I was raised, I actually have a fair bit of hostility towards racial insensative remarks directed towards individuals of color...I mean that is whom I grew up with. I literally got sick at the sight of a restaurant in New Orleans, the famous Camelia Grill where black waiters dressed in antibellium finery, replete with appropriate dialogue serve up the fare. I took one look and told my wife and friends I would wait in the car.

So I want you to understand that on an emotional level I am bothered by these remarks...No I don't know on a proverbial scale, how that compares to being an individual of color... But there is empathy. But one must ask how much do we lose, and how much do we gain responding from an emotional place, when language is abused? I don't mean you are displaying outward signs, don't misunderstand my point here. i mean that it bothers you when some things are said.

My consideration, when someone skips over the line at times, and is not an individual like Freedom, who was an example of a racist through and through, is what does that individual otherwise contribute to the dialogue?

You don't like Rusty and he says some things that the mods have to look at occasionally, but in general he contributes to the discussions. He can be a HEAL! But so was Mayweather! lol. A heal can be good to have around...He can also be a contrarian, which to me can be a good thing as well. He does raise some good issues... when he is not making LOMA threads! lol.

I honestly think if you thought it through, you would see that you despise Rusty more for his opinions than his occasional off color remarks... I had the same feelings about Elroy BTW... for what it is worth.

T you are on the mark as usual. Indeed... If there is something good about a person I do try. Life is just too short to do otherwise.

I said that in a tongue-in-cheek manner. Of course you are free to discuss whatever you want with whoever you want.

But given where and the way I was raised...if someone can't discuss things in an adult manner then you don't entertain them and their childishness.

[billeau2]

I said that in a tongue-in-cheek manner. Of course you are free to discuss whatever you want with whoever you want.

But given where and the way I was raised...if someone can't discuss things in an adult manner then you don't entertain them and their childishness.

I totally get that. Never a problem.

The internet has changed many things about the way it was when I was raised. Im still trying to get it in its entirety. People seem to take advantage of the fact that they do not stand face to face. I don't understand that mentality. I always post as i would conduct in person. Sometimes I wonder if it is just a convention?

[PAC-BOY]

In my opinion I tend to be very conservative about whom compares...For all the reasons you cited, and because I want to see certain things like: How they do when they fight another great fighter, the general level of competition...Yeah Lomo beat world champions but there are so many divisions these days... Also I want to see a quality that Lennox Lewis had...Will Loma fight the young dogs like Hanney? So I incline more towards your point of view.

I do like someone who challenges our thinking. If you (the impersonal you) can make me say "yeah that is an interesting point" I will listen. I think this guy made a few decent points... None of which is to say we can compare Loma to Ray Robinson! Lol!

i can respect that. !!!

green k

[PAC-BOY]

I googled "grown man cannot grow body hair".

The host from "Iron Chef" came up.

It felt great, after all these years, finally putting a name to a face.

But I don't get why you couldn't just tell me.

It was kinda fun solving the puzzle, though.

I dont watch Iron Chef. Sorry im not gay.

And if you want to google Men with no body hair rather than Women with no pu$$y hair thats your prerogative. Hey if thats what you like thats on you man.

You came out of the closet...Happy for you Mr Rainbow. After all these years it must feel good

[Rusty Tromboni]

I agree comparing a current fighter before his career is over to a past fighter is not realistic. Like you said some fighters go into a rapid fade. I remember Donald Curry being a beast then he went into decline. John Mugabi was another one. No shame in losing to Hagler but he fell apart after that. Lomo could get caught by a big puncher and never recover his chin. You never know..

He shook off a blst from Linares' cannon like it was nothing.

Robinson never fought anyone that dangerous.

In fact, he hit the canvas A LOT for being such an ATG.

Forget losing to Basilio, he was almost KO'd by Artie Levine in his prime.

Again with hundredsof fights, shouldn't there be footage of him doing something on par w/ Lomachenko?

How many times has Lomachenko been dragged out of the ring after passing out? Didn't happen against Linares, Pedroza, or Cambell. And I can't even remember him fighting anyone as bad as Joey Maxim.