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This is a great post. Well done! the first new view ive seen on old vs new mythicals in a long time. Who would adapt first? Thats probably a deciding factor in many of these fights. A modern fighter who couldn't adapt to the style of the old could well lose and vice versa despite everything we know about both, thats something we would find hard to establish. It certainly puts someone like ali in a great position in mythical match ups (although he would be anyway) but his ability to adapt in a fight would help him.
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I don't know about that...Usyk is a character, I adore the guy lol...As a fighter? He is the proverbial one eyed man in the land of the blind...A Euro based fighter who learned to move his feet a bit, not stand there and trade. He does not have much head movement, and we don't know how he takes a real punch.
Marciano fought plenty of guys who could move and do more than work a jab as a range finder. I mean i don't want to minimize Usyk...Yes he does move his legs, he does make himself not be there to be hit...But lets see him work against guys who will challenge his positioning, not just back off against a jab.
Rusty you would have to really not understand Marciano if you think a jab would keep him back and off you...think prime mike Tyson...would USk's jab keep him off of him? How did that work for Spink's? Kidding about Spinks, I know Spinks was psyched out... also not trying to insult, but I know you don't mind candor...and really if Usk beat Marciano he would have to take a lot more punishment and really be mobile with that jab. It would look like when Marciano fought The Cincinnati Cobra.
I will watch that stribling fight...Comment
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- -Usyk would easily beats anyone on Rocks record though initially Moore and Charles could show him some tricks.Comment
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He fights as a European and uses much better foot work. Yes he is very good, but not much head movement to speak of and all I want to see before declaring him "better" or "worse" is what happens when he gets "tagged, your it!"
I mean come on Rusty... Your speaking about this guy as though he has been tested as a heavyweight. And even as a cruiser/light heavy, how will he do when he gets in the ring with a guy good enough to hit him? i personally wonder...
Ill tell you a story (gasps, as people run for the exits, popcorn thrown everywhere shrieks of 'no please...' lol). I trained in a popular Japanese Art for many years, the Bujinkan. I liked it for certain features... The chief teacher Hatsumi Sensei would teach many things for years... The one thing you would not see is small body movements, what is often called Tai Sabaki. The emphasis was always on whole body movements and adjustments... I figured out one day why this was: when you are calculating distance, angles, etc you can be fairly universal using whole body movements... Everyone doing a step to a 90 degree angle will conform to the same parameters.
Guess what though? Not on Tai Sabaki. when I make a shoulder adjustment, a hip turn...it depends on the relative reach, positioning, of me to my opponent. it will work slightly differently if i have longer arms, shorter arms, etc. People who fight, fought, know this and can make these adjustments automatically. people who do not...well it would be a lot harder to teach them these adjustments, so Hatsumi didn't, I guess figuring when they wanted to they would see to those adjustments.
So when we look at Usk in a way I see him as, like a lot of European styled fighters, not using those type of adjustments, including head movements. He is very strong on setting a distance, using the jab and feint to gradly work in on his opponent. He already had a close match with the fighter that beat Haye (forget his name) but that guy has no power, was not a threat. I do't think Usk, without making such adjustments, will have quite the success you think he will at heavy weight, we will see.
Eventually in fighting, one will encounter a need to move properly with the upper torso area, independent of the feet. Jut a reality to be aware of.Comment
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Just watched Stribiling and Schmelling. Intersting that someone on that thread (Not me) mentions that Young S fought out of the older style while Max the newer. Just never had seen tape of Stribiling, he is an excellent fighter, and fought forever! Thanks for the heads up Rusty here is the fight as I saw it on Youtube.
I will think about how Stribling compares to Sam. What a life that guy had!!!Last edited by billeau2; 10-28-2019, 01:51 PM.Comment
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Lets see how he does against a professional heavyweight, second tier, much less first tier. I don't think he has been hit with that kind of power yet. Roy Jones syndrome. Lets see how he reacts the first time he gets cracked really good by a strong professional heavyweight. Chisora for example would be a grand test for him.
David Price was going to take the world by storm...
You cannot equate his background with that experience and you know that.Comment
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- -What I'm saying is at this point in time Usyk is a more accomplished heavy than Mr Field. See Fields 28-10-2 heavy record as reference.
Joe Joyce and others ain't the dainties you making them.Comment
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