Langford vs Schmeling

[Rusty Tromboni]

If Jack Dempsey had a healthy fear and respect for Langford then there was a good reason.

The opinion of a fighting man is always worth more that that of a half wit like Rusty.

You're dumb. We get that. We don't expect you to put two and two together. but when you act like your opinion should be taken seriously, you've gone too far.

Dempsey was young. Schmeling beat louis - the guy whom many still call the greatest HEavyweight of all time. What did that win matter in the rematch, and for Joe's legacy at large?


Hearns and Leonard got beaten by Pryor in the Ammies... would you pick him to last 6 rounds with either of them in their prime?

George Chip KO'd Harry Greb. Which Hevyweights or Light Heavyweights would you pick George Chip to beat?
Zivic beat Conn, what did that mean for Bob Pastor or Joe Louis?

On top of that, it's well documented that Dempsey was effusiv with praise. Fighters say a lot of things. You're not an athelte, you've never competed. You've never been in a fight. Probably half your responses are written by your mom. so you wouldn't know that, or appreciate his motivations for saying such kind things. Stop pretending, Safe Spaces.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Ist I agree he would not destroy Max like Louis did in rematch. He was a very small heavy and was not KOing the best at that weight, but he did beat them. That being said you saying he "never fought anyone who wasn't rubbish" is absurd. That guy fought ALL the best of the era from 35 on up. He beat Joe Gans, Ketchel, Walcott( the original)Phily Jack O'Brian ALL were champs. Then he beat ALL the top heavys of the era even though he was MUCH smaller. Guys like McVey, Jeanette, Denver Ed Martin and Jack Blackburn. Only Johnson never lost to him, but he did go the distance. Lanford has maybe the best resume in history considering he fought the best from 35 or 47 on up to heavy.

We've been down this road before. BoxRec only tells half the story. You need to actually see the fights.

And if BoxRec is your only source, you should read the small print.

Really, it's pretty simple and you can't even do that right.

O'brien was old and gave up size. Ketchel beat him (at worst drew) in a 6 rounder. Gans and Walcott were smaller and fighting under less than desriable conditions in non-ttitle fights. (McGovern, a Bantamweight, actually KO'd Gans. Something Langford despite his size advantage and status as an unknown couldn't do).

The fighters we do have on film are absolute filth.

Seriously, if you haven't seen these fighters or their opponents you shouldn't be posting.

Not to sound mean. But people spam these conversations with rubbish, perpetuating myth and misinformation.

Schmeling KO's him, just as smaller far less capable men did.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Tar baby vs the big gerry Schmeling is a tough call. The gerry has every physical advantage, but my tar goblin has fought some ATGs himself, by buggery, and comes for the KO with preternaturally long arms and impressive speed of limb and mitt.

When did Langford ever KO anyone as good as Schmeling?

When did Schmeling ever get KO'd by anyone as bad/primitive/small as Langford?

Schmeling was quick and awkawrd. He's all wrong for Langford and everyone else of that era. Really, pre-Dempsey Heavyweights are rubbish. guys like Sullivan, Corbett, Jeffries all had tremendous talent, but the skill wasn't there.

McGovern, McFarland, Fitzsimmons, Gibbons - that's where the talent was. Those are the fighters you'd put in fantasy match ups with future champions. The film shows it. Ya know, evidence.

[GhostofDempsey]

Boxing had evolved to a significant degree by the time Schmeling was in his prime. Langford had the advantage of being in an era where most fighters were unpolished and somewhat crude. Lets have a look at a timeline that may support a Schmeling victory over Langford.

Schmeling twice defeated Italian HW Uzcudun, who you may recall KTFO Harry Wills. Harry Wills holds several wins over Langford (why wouldn't he, he was much larger).

Schmeling made easy work for Mickey Walker, who was arguably as good as Langford at MW. A man who went 12 rounds with Louis and comes out on the winning end, can defeat Langford. I just don't see what's in Langford's arsenal that Max hadn't seen before. Langford struggled with bigger opponents like Wills and Johnson, Schmeling would be too much for him.

[QueensburyRules]

- -Dumb thread managed to get dummer.

Cong**** guys.

[john l]

We've been down this road before. BoxRec only tells half the story. You need to actually see the fights.

And if BoxRec is your only source, you should read the small print.

Really, it's pretty simple and you can't even do that right.

O'brien was old and gave up size. Ketchel beat him (at worst drew) in a 6 rounder. Gans and Walcott were smaller and fighting under less than desriable conditions in non-ttitle fights. (McGovern, a Bantamweight, actually KO'd Gans. Something Langford despite his size advantage and status as an unknown couldn't do).

The fighters we do have on film are absolute filth.

Seriously, if you haven't seen these fighters or their opponents you shouldn't be posting.

Not to sound mean. But people spam these conversations with rubbish, perpetuating myth and misinformation.

Schmeling KO's him, just as smaller far less capable men did.

Dude I don't need boxrec and quit using what I said to you in the past its pathetic. Your whole post is filled with half truths and COMPLETE BS. 1st the Gans v Terry fight was a WELL KNOWN fixed fight. 2nd O'Brian was not giving up size he was a 75pder and Langford started at 35. Same with Walcott who was a 147pder and Lanford weighed the same in that fight. Ketchel was a draw on paper because that's the way it was set up if no KO, and Langford won the newspaper dec I have seen. None had Ketchel winning. Gans I will give you, but at the time they fought they weighed the SAME. You have no idea what your talking about per usual. Langford was NOT a heavy he just fought heavy's because he could not get fights at other divisions. He fought from 135 on up to heavy and the most he weighed was around 190 LATE in his career. This guy has one of the greatest resume's in history. Also I have seen just about every fighter that has tape unlike you obviously.

[Rusty Tromboni]

.... 1st the Gans v Terry fight was a WELL KNOWN fixed fight. .

Whew. Good thing you don't have meaningful reputation around here. It would gone straight out the window with that ridiculous comment.

[john l]

If Jack Dempsey had a healthy fear and respect for Langford then there was a good reason.

The opinion of a fighting man is always worth more that that of a half wit like Rusty.

Man im glad you post on the history section because its filled with trolls. You would think this section would have ALOT more knowledgeable fans smdh.

[john l]

Whew. Good thing you don't have meaningful reputation around here. It would gone straight out the window with that ridiculous comment.

My rep on here is sooooo much better then yours. Everytime I see you someone is calling you an idiot, and you know it. The fact you don't know about that fight shows you have NO business being in the history section. Im Irish and I love "Terrible Terry" but everyone knows that was fixed. That's why it is not even mentioned in most accounts of Terry's career. Also I see you called Langford too small for Max(a heavy), but you say he was too big for O'Brian(a 75pder) so which is it? You change your BS to fit what ever agenda your trying to push. You also seem to always have probs with black fighters.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Boxing had evolved to a significant degree by the time Schmeling was in his prime. Langford had the advantage of being in an era where most fighters were unpolished and somewhat crude. Lets have a look at a timeline that may support a Schmeling victory over Langford.

Schmeling twice defeated Italian HW Uzcudun, who you may recall KTFO Harry Wills. Harry Wills holds several wins over Langford (why wouldn't he, he was much larger).

Schmeling made easy work for Mickey Walker, who was arguably as good as Langford at MW. A man who went 12 rounds with Louis and comes out on the winning end, can defeat Langford. I just don't see what's in Langford's arsenal that Max hadn't seen before. Langford struggled with bigger opponents like Wills and Johnson, Schmeling would be too much for him.

Great post.

Schmeling also beat Stribling, retired ***** and
probably deserved the nod in the rematch w/ Sharkey.

I am not sure what argument they can make for Langford suggesting he's better than any of those men.

These guys tend to conflate legacy and mythos with actual ability.

We see it in MMA all the time. So it's kind of easy to "fact check" Boxing. But most people really aren't here to get at the truth. they want to relish in the fantasy.