Felix Trinidad a top 10 ATG welterweight?

[Rusty Tromboni]

For near certainty he is whipped by all of:

1 Robinson
2 Leonard
3 Hearns
4 Napoles
5 Langford
6 Basilio
7 Walker
8 Duran
9 Mayweather
10 Benitez

That is just for starters!

Langford!?!?

Rating walker so low and omitting Graham is criminal. But you're right, it's easy to whip up a list of 10-15 guys better than Oscar, let alone having to think about Tito.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Trinidad was a huge very strong welterweight. I say he would beat some of those guys.

Really? The guy who lost to Oscar? The guy who got schooled by B-Hop?

Sure, he might be too big for some of them. But don't act like Tito would have been a Welterweight in decades past. Or that many of those guys had access to Tito's PEDs.

[The Old LefHook]

Langford!?!?

Rating walker so low and omitting Graham is criminal. But you're right, it's easy to whip up a list of 10-15 guys better than Oscar, let alone having to think about Tito.

Stop calling my list a rating. It is simply a list of possible welterweights who would cream Tito.

[ShoulderRoll]

Next you'll be bringing up Michael Baisden's talking points, I'm sure.


I don't give a f u c k who Stephen Edwards is. ****** is ******.

If he wanted to provide context, like "over the past 25 years..." Then we can have that discussion. But even today, guys like Spence Crawford, Porter... that don't have the devastating power, and they're not locked to beat Tito, but I don't think he's clearly better than any of them. I couldsee him struggling w/ lesser guys too, like Thurman.

If you need other people to do your thinking for you, OK. But don't be butt-hurt when you get called out.

You don't care who Stephen Edwards is? Or you simply don't know?

Go find out first before you run your mouth.

This is a boxing forum, kid. If you don't want to discuss what boxing figures say then what are you even doing here? Fuck off back to your MMA or high school wrestling buddies who might be impressed by your antics.

You haven't earned any respect here. All you've done is shat on yourself and now you're smearing it everywhere.

[billeau2]

- -Tito prime and a monster puncher whereas Popkins had already shown his quitting/sissy side vs Allen such that he weren't close to being the fan favorite in that fight.

A sissy/stinker and never a fan fav save for the oddballs who always like to hang around the men's stalls to savor the air.

to each his own... Just asking a simple question: I did not see any action by Trinidad indicating marginal success in that fight, certainly nothing that would indicate a different outcome if they fought at a different weight. Again, there was not a size disparity in this fight anyway, but that is besides the point.

[billeau2]

Not even close.
Trinidad was a title holder, not a champion at 147. He held a title for nearly 10 years, wouldn't fight Pernell Whitaker when He was the men, didn't fight Ike Quartey when both were holding titles for significant period and when He finally stepped up against Oscar De la Hoya, most people thought He lost.

His resume at 147 doesn't warrant ATG status.

If his fight against Hops was bad imagine against Sweet Pea? Lawd have mereeecy.

[QueensburyRules]

to each his own... Just asking a simple question: I did not see any action by Trinidad indicating marginal success in that fight, certainly nothing that would indicate a different outcome if they fought at a different weight. Again, there was not a size disparity in this fight anyway, but that is besides the point.

- -Tito gave as good as he got. He would've lasted the distance but for his pappy's intervention.

[john l]

I saw Stephen Edwards make this claim in his Daily Bread column yesterday.

Do you agree or disagree?

Its not out of line imo. Im not sure I would put in top 10 ever at such a strong division. He was also still learning on job a bit there, I think he won title at 20. He also had some misses at that weight like Qaurtey and ODLH rematch, not saying it was his fault, but misses still the same. Really I think Tito was at his best at 54 and for such a short time he made his mark.

[john l]

If his fight against Hops was bad imagine against Sweet Pea? Lawd have mereeecy.

Yes Tito as great as he was had slow feet, and top level boxers always gave him probs. He deff caught Pea at the right time.

[john l]

Not even close.
Trinidad was a title holder, not a champion at 147. He held a title for nearly 10 years, wouldn't fight Pernell Whitaker when He was the men, didn't fight Ike Quartey when both were holding titles for significant period and when He finally stepped up against Oscar De la Hoya, most people thought He lost.

His resume at 147 doesn't warrant ATG status.

Your a little to harsh imo, but your right he did have some misses at 47. He deff caught Pea at the right time because that style gave him fits. Would have loved to have seen vs Quartey at 47(I was dying for that fight)and also Norris at 54(even better).