Felix Trinidad a top 10 ATG welterweight?

[ShoulderRoll]

you want attention. I'll give it to you.


tell us why anyone with half a brain would consider Tito a top tier Ww.

It's almost impossible to make a Ww top 10 list. So many fighters better than Trinidad can't make a spot, yet you think we should be discussing his place on it....

explain why.

Stephen Edwards made the comment. He has more than half a brain, and he's certainly more intelligent than a half wit like you.

[JakeTheBoxer]

I don`t think there were 10 better guys in 147 history, so, yes.

[billeau2]

Trinidad hurt himself remaining at Welterweight for so long. Kinda like Spence is doing now. He needed to move to 154. His power wouldn't have had the same effect, but his mobility would have improved.

He lost to de La Hoya. I think that says it all.

Of course, you can argue that against legends of the division he'd do well. But he wouldn't be a Welterweight in decades past. I don't doubt he entered the ring bigger than the Middleweight champion contemporary to Britton, McLarnin, Armstrong, Graham, Basilio etc. And I definitely wouldn't pick him against guys like Steele, Apostoli, Marshall, Giardello, etc. at their best.

I also agree that it wasn't simply Hopkins' size that won the fight, although it needs to be said that it mattered tremendously. It was a huge adjustment for Trinidad, and gave Hopkins a lot of confidence. No way Hopkins would take that fight if they were closer in size.

I don't know how you would come to that conclusion. What did Trinidad do to make you think he would have any success against Hopkins? Just speaking of empirical validation here. I have no problem with the argument that the fight would play out differently if they fought under different circumstances...do not agree with it, but it could, under certain conditions, be a valid point of view I s'pose.

But to say based on what happened in that fight, that absolutely Hopkins would lose, if they were closer in size, is not a reasonable statement. By the way, if memory serves correct, they were very close in size for that fight.

Not trying to split hairs here, but we all, including me, need a check on our logic now and then.

[ShoulderRoll]

I don`t think there were 10 better guys in 147 history, so, yes.

Barney Ross
Mickey Walker
Henry Armstrong
Sugar Ray Robinson
Carmen Basilio
Kid Gavilan
Jose Napoles
Emile Griffith
Sugar Ray Leonard
Thomas Hearns

Which one of those guys are you going to kick off to put Trinidad in?

And keep in mind that De La Hoya schooled Tito for the most part when they fought. So I would rank him above Felix as well.

[The Old LefHook]

For near certainty he is whipped by all of:

1 Robinson
2 Leonard
3 Hearns
4 Napoles
5 Langford
6 Basilio
7 Walker
8 Duran
9 Mayweather
10 Benitez

That is just for starters!

[QueensburyRules]

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What did Trinidad do to make you think he would have any success against Hopkins.

- -Tito prime and a monster puncher whereas Popkins had already shown his quitting/sissy side vs Allen such that he weren't close to being the fan favorite in that fight.

A sissy/stinker and never a fan fav save for the oddballs who always like to hang around the men's stalls to savor the air.

[Zaroku]

i love tito, but nope.. not all that..

i like what he did to vargas,, if dela hoya did not take his premature foot off the gas, he would have won..

he showed class, going all out against hopkins.. great fight. but he got clocked.. dropped and it was over..

great fighter..

mexican vs puerto rico rivalry. at it's best..

[ELPacman]

Top 10 puncher for sure.

He also was around when young fighters had the balls to test themselves without fear of losing their "0". Someone remind me how old Tito was and what was Campas record when they fought? Yeah, nough said.

[JakeTheBoxer]

Barney Ross
Mickey Walker
Henry Armstrong
Sugar Ray Robinson
Carmen Basilio
Kid Gavilan
Jose Napoles
Emile Griffith
Sugar Ray Leonard
Thomas Hearns

Which one of those guys are you going to kick off to put Trinidad in?

And keep in mind that De La Hoya schooled Tito for the most part when they fought. So I would rank him above Felix as well.

Trinidad was a huge very strong welterweight. I say he would beat some of those guys.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Stephen Edwards made the comment. He has more than half a brain, and he's certainly more intelligent than a half wit like you.

Next you'll be bringing up Michael Baisden's talking points, I'm sure.


I don't give a f u c k who Stephen Edwards is. ****** is ******.

If he wanted to provide context, like "over the past 25 years..." Then we can have that discussion. But even today, guys like Spence Crawford, Porter... that don't have the devastating power, and they're not locked to beat Tito, but I don't think he's clearly better than any of them. I couldsee him struggling w/ lesser guys too, like Thurman.

If you need other people to do your thinking for you, OK. But don't be butt-hurt when you get called out.