The Top 20 All-Time Greatest P4P List

[QueensburyRules]

Monzon defended his title 14 times. Ducked no one. Fought the best fighters in the world. Monzon retired as champion. He retired at 35. His last loss was at age 22. When he won the title, I was 15. when he retired, I was 22. Monzon is either 2 or 3 greatest MW all-time on every list I've ever seen. I'm tore up now. We'll rap tomorrow.

- - Needs repeating for the naysayer know nothings who proliferate here.

[Porky Pig]

This is my top 20 list, which will remain fluid, that way adjustments can be made over time.

1- Ray Robinson

2- Willie Pep

3- Archie Moore

4- Ezzard Charles

5- Harry Greb

6- Roberto Duran

7- Manny Pacquiao

8- Barney Ross

9- Benny Leonard

10- Sam Langford

11- Mickey Walker

12- Henry Armstrong

13- Ike Williams

14- Jake LaMotta

15- Jack Dempsey

16- Tiger Flowers

17- Tony Canzoneri

18- Ray Leonard

19- Roy Jones Jr

20- Emile Griffith

Plenty of honorable mentions who can easily be rotated on or off the list. In no particular order:

Jose Napoles
Pernell Whitaker
Julio Cesar Chavez Sr
Michael Spinks
Sammy Angott
Joe Louis
Jimmy McLarnin
Joe Gans
Charley Burley
Sandy Saddler
Holman Williams
Gene Tunney

Post up your lists!

Sorry I have to disagree with you. Archie Moore could not touch Ezzard Charles with multiple tries. He lost to essentially a junior middle in Charley Burley, again in multiple tries. To me you have seven people on your list I would not put there because of the choices you then have to ignore. Putting them in order seems like too much for anybody to have universal agreement, but I will try, friend.

[Ivich]

Yes, and after that robbery against Tunney, he went on to fight Tommy Loughran just two weeks later.

Loughran was 21 years old.

[JAB5239]

Loughran was 21 years old.

True, but he had already fought Greb several times along with other very notable contenders of that era.

[GhostofDempsey]

Loughran was 21 years old.

McVea was 19 & 20 when he fought Johnson, Langford was just 20 years old. Yet you give Johnson full credit for beating them.

[Larry the boss]

1- Ray Robinson

2- Willie Pep

3- Archie Moore

4- Ezzard Charles

5- Floyd Mayweather

6- Roberto Duran

7- George Foreman

8- Barney Ross

9- Benny Leonard

10- Sam Langford

11- Mickey Walker

12- Henry Armstrong

13- Ike Williams

14- Roy Jones jr

15- Jack Dempsey

16- Tiger Flowers

17- Tony Canzoneri

18- Ray Leonard

19- Jake lamotta

20- Manny Pacquiao

[IronDanHamza]

1- Ray Robinson

2- Willie Pep

3- Archie Moore

4- Ezzard Charles

5- Floyd Mayweather

6- Roberto Duran

7- George Foreman

8- Barney Ross

9- Benny Leonard

10- Sam Langford

11- Mickey Walker

12- Henry Armstrong

13- Ike Williams

14- Roy Jones jr

15- Jack Dempsey

16- Tiger Flowers

17- Tony Canzoneri

18- Ray Leonard

19- Jake lamotta

20- Manny Pacquiao

Very intresting list there.

George Foreman at 7? What was the thought process behind that?

Jack Dempsey but no Muhammad Ali?

What made you have Willie Pep at #2?

[Silence]

1- Sugar Ray Robinson
2- Harry Greb
3- Henry Armstrong
4- Sam Langford
5- Ezzard Charles
6- Roberto Duran
7- Manny Pacquiao
8- Bob Fitzsimmons
9- Sugar Ray Leonard
10- Floyd Mayweather Jr.
11- Muhammad Ali
12- Canelo Alvarez
13- Roy Jones Jr.
14- Archie Moore
15- Willie Pep
16- Sandy Saddler
17- Benny Leonard
18- Joe Gans
19- Tommy Hearns
20- Joe Louis

Honorable Mentions: Kid Chocolate, Marvin Hagler, Carlos Monzon, Bernard Hopkins, Alexis Argüello, Lennox Lewis, Eder Jofre.

[QueensburyRules]

Very intresting list there.

George Foreman at 7? What was the thought process behind that?

Jack Dempsey but no Muhammad Ali?

What made you have Willie Pep at #2?

- - Well, this is about everyone's list, and such was Larry's...sorted!

[mrbig1]

1- Sugar Ray Robinson
2- Harry Greb
3- Henry Armstrong
4- Sam Langford
5- Ezzard Charles
6- Roberto Duran
7- Manny Pacquiao
8- Bob Fitzsimmons
9- Sugar Ray Leonard
10- Floyd Mayweather Jr.
11- Muhammad Ali
12- Canelo Alvarez
13- Roy Jones Jr.
14- Archie Moore
15- Willie Pep
16- Sandy Saddler
17- Benny Leonard
18- Joe Gans
19- Tommy Hearns
20- Joe Louis

Honorable Mentions: Kid Chocolate, Marvin Hagler, Carlos Monzon, Bernard Hopkins, Alexis Argüello, Lennox Lewis, Eder Jofre.

I like your list. Monzon was undefeated in his last 81 fights over 13 years. 14 title fights and retired as Champion. He fought in my era and took on the best again and again. He would be on my list. I like the fact you have Charles and Fitzimmons. I would not have Roy Jones on this list. I would have Armstrong at 3 as well. Good list.