Please explain all these titles to me

[The Old LefHook]

Abandon boxing. It is run by con artists. Pay nothing for fights. Force promoters to close shop permanently or put on the fights that fans want to see in a timely manner. Settle for nothing less, and watch them squirm if you do. Or perhaps you are just too ****** to recognize the truth.

[DeeMoney]

Abandon boxing. It is run by con artists. Pay nothing for fights. Force promoters to close shop permanently or put on the fights that fans want to see in a timely manner. Settle for nothing less, and watch them squirm if you do. Or perhaps you are just too ****** to recognize the truth.

Its a heck of an idea there sir, and one I've had a few times. Unfortunately, youd have to convince more people than the handful of people here.

In lieu of that happening, I'll keep coming back like an addict to a sport I love and support the business I hate.

But I tell you what, if you or anyone else out there is able to rally the masses to kill the promoter/network/sanctioning body/nsac/etc system I am on board. You just have to get a lot on board to make a dent.

[billeau2]

Abandon boxing. It is run by con artists. Pay nothing for fights. Force promoters to close shop permanently or put on the fights that fans want to see in a timely manner. Settle for nothing less, and watch them squirm if you do. Or perhaps you are just too ****** to recognize the truth.

By Islam, By Sneezy I figured it out in my head at least. Its really very simple: When men who do not box control boxing you get a middleman, then another middleman, the process repeats because all these middle men need is some bankroll to vouch for their authority. These men work to control fighters and the money that comes with making sure men who do fight for a living, perform under their aegis.

For example, The British Boxing Council, which is about anything but fighting, made a supreme effort to STOP one of the most entertaining fights from happening between Haye and Chisora.

When men who fight control the action with no external authorities, we get the lineal title, or something similar. In the old days a fighter could call another fighter to a fight provided both men put up a purse. No independent group needed...

And while there were occasional problems with logistics, everyone knew what common sense dictated to be the law of the land: To be the best, you beat the best.

[The Old LefHook]

By Islam, By Sneezy I figured it out in my head at least. Its really very simple: When men who do not box control boxing you get a middleman, then another middleman, the process repeats because all these middle men need is some bankroll to vouch for their authority. These men work to control fighters and the money that comes with making sure men who do fight for a living, perform under their aegis.
For example, The British Boxing Council, which is about anything but fighting, made a supreme effort to STOP one of the most entertaining fights from happening between Haye and Chisora.
When men who fight control the action with no external authorities, we get the lineal title, or something similar. In the old days a fighter could call another fighter to a fight provided both men put up a purse. No independent group needed...
And while there were occasional problems with logistics, everyone knew what common sense dictated to be the law of the land: To be the best, you beat the best.

An exquisite analysis, by buggery. Mayweather/Pacquiao provided the money men with another template, the delayed action fight, which they pretend is only ripening juicily.

It must be admitted, sir, that fewer men of reason and more halfwits fill the ranks of fandom with every missed opportunity for a great fight. Delaying fights past their expiration date has now become standard. Then they sell them for premium as fresh anyway. Hogwash.

Thou Shalt Not See: Wilder/Joshua: Spence/Crawford: and others yet unnamed, at least not in a timely manner when you wanted to see them, their outcomes meant something and the fighters were still peak.

Only suckers would stick around to serve rich men their chowder, by buggery. They will give you back their man milk in spurts, my friendly suckers.

[Zaroku]

Boxing is over, lads. There was a 90-100 year window when it was interesting and maybe worth watching. Now boxing is not worth a man's time.

People who still follow the game actively are fools, of course. There is nothing to follow. What would you follow, the negotiations between Spence & Crawford? I will never pay these promoters another penny for an overdue fight again. I am telling you it feels good to stand up to them and deny them money, the only thing they care about. There are currently two potential fights in the world that all fans would like to see, and neither of those fights is being made at all.

Deny them, you halfwits, it feels good.

I’ll slap the slavery mentality outta siblo job...

[Zaroku]

By Islam, By Sneezy I figured it out in my head at least. Its really very simple: When men who do not box control boxing you get a middleman, then another middleman, the process repeats because all these middle men need is some bankroll to vouch for their authority. These men work to control fighters and the money that comes with making sure men who do fight for a living, perform under their aegis.

For example, The British Boxing Council, which is about anything but fighting, made a supreme effort to STOP one of the most entertaining fights from happening between Haye and Chisora.

When men who fight control the action with no external authorities, we get the lineal title, or something similar. In the old days a fighter could call another fighter to a fight provided both men put up a purse. No independent group needed...

And while there were occasional problems with logistics, everyone knew what common sense dictated to be the law of the land: To be the best, you beat the best.

Es long as you teach me how to avoid getting choke out. I’m happy... unlike pb32... I go to jail?.

[QueensburyRules]

The WBA spawned the IBF and WBO. And it's currently a joke with it's regular and super champions.

A pox on them.

(Not that the WBC is much better with it's new Franchise Champion tag.)

- -Tubby Lar spawned the IBF heavy belt, their first champ, and not long after that their founder got popped for crookery and locked up for a spell.

[QueensburyRules]

When men who fight control the action with no external authorities, we get the lineal title, or something similar. In the old days a fighter could call another fighter to a fight provided both men put up a purse. No independent group needed.

- -Most fighters could not put up purses and needed Backers who went into business to make a profit on the ******** aspect.

Modern boxing at least has some organization no matter how dubious and to organize the venues and broadcast and insurance/security takes logistics to unfathomable levels from days of yore.

[ShoulderRoll]

- -Tubby Lar spawned the IBF heavy belt, their first champ, and not long after that their founder got popped for crookery and locked up for a spell.

Bob Lee ran for president of the WBA unsuccessfully at one of their conventions. Losing to Gilberto Mendoza Sr, father of the current WBA president.

Afterwards Lee withdrew from the convention and formed the IBF.

[billeau2]

- -Most fighters could not put up purses and needed Backers who went into business to make a profit on the ******** aspect.

Modern boxing at least has some organization no matter how dubious and to organize the venues and broadcast and insurance/security takes logistics to unfathomable levels from days of yore.

With Backers they are invested. With groups that are bankrolled, syndacytes they have no skin in the game. Lets take another example: If a few years back you saw a beautiful apartment in Detroit, downtown, city lights, prewar, over 1500 sq feet and asked the bank to purchase it, they would delay you indefinitely, while letting people buy trash. The same bank would claim "oh whoa is us...we are trying to sell these places," Meanwhile these banks on the sly, would bankroll groups of investors who would buy up these places penny on the dollar. In Baltimore there are countless housing projects built that fail and nobody personally is involved...same situation. With corporate governance, they can hold on to an asset, make another division responsible for it, etc... These investors ultimately are the banks. They will refi those properties through the bank, distribute them to people on the inside when they become valuable again, etc...

The problem with any authority that derives from the state, is much the same... by its very nature, in both cases individuals are held unaccountable. Yes there were bad problems back in the days when fighters needed backers, but it was at least an immanent process where the backer and fighter had an understanding and an incentive to train well, fight well, etc.

Maybe the reason we see fighters come in so out of shape so many times these days is that what do they have to lose? Who takes a shave?, so to speak... Everyone gets paid, another alphabet can be conquered. Its too much, way too much imo. One or two such organizations would work I s'pose, but a whole can of alphabet soup....Its just destroying the sport along with the promoters.