Duran Tactics to Attack Mayweather's Shell Defense

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Moore and Walcott were at their best.

It's also amazing how fast and how late Marciano achieved what he did.

We never saw Marciano at 100%. He was smart enough to retire before then. For how much he accomplished so fast is truly remarkable.

Floyd fought for DECADES and couldn't accomplish what Marciano did. What was his best win, Corrales?

That's just overt bias.

If you dont like Floyd, thats on you.

A grown man (i assume) hating another grown man that you dont even know personally. Its sad.

Objectively though. Floyd won his fights with his style. After 140, the knockouts are few and far inbetween.

Do you see how that works? Objectively looking at something rather than an overt bias?

I would think this was NSB with the inability to think rationally in this single topic.

[Rusty Tromboni]

That's just overt bias.

If you dont like Floyd, thats on you.

A grown man (i assume) hating another grown man that you dont even know personally. Its sad.

Objectively though. Floyd won his fights with his style. After 140, the knockouts are few and far inbetween.

Do you see how that works? Objectively looking at something rather than an overt bias?

I would think this was NSB with the inability to think rationally in this single topic.

And this is the reply I should have expected considering a community that has seen generations of absentee fathers and failed public education.

I bet the pha gyt doesn't even know what the words "overt" and "bias" mean.

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And this is the reply I should have expected considering a community that has seen generations of absentee fathers and failed public education.

I bet the pha gyt doesn't even know what the words "overt" and "bias" mean.

I don't understand the point in using red herrings.

The discussion isn't about what Floyd does outside of the ring.

Seriously, anything you have to say from here on can't be taken seriously. You can't carry a rational conversation, can't use an objective analysis and because of it resort to red herring and ad hominem as a defense.

Log off and get some air.

[Rusty Tromboni]

I don't understand the point in using red herrings.

The discussion isn't about what Floyd does outside of the ring.

Seriously, anything you have to say from here on can't be taken seriously. You can't carry a rational conversation, can't use an objective analysis and because of it resort to red herring and ad hominem as a defense.

Log off and get some air.

Hahahahahaha!

I love the act. Too bad you can't substantiate anything you say.

Please, show me where I employed bias.

You don't need a google search and your teachers help for that. But maybe ask them to loosen your helmet?

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Hahahahahaha!

I love the act. Too bad you can't substantiate anything you say.

Please, show me where I employed bias.

You don't need a google search and your teachers help for that.

P.S. Have your mom to demand DNA tests?

Okay let's point it out.

The bold is ad hominem. You understand this don't you?

Floyd fought for DECADES and couldn't accomplish what Marciano did. What was his best win, Corrales?

What did Marciano accomplish? 49-0. 43 knockouts?

You say Mayweather could never accomplish that in decades. Yet he went 50-0. The knockout part is irrelevant because Mayweather isn't that kind of boxer and not all boxers fight the same. (history subforum... Willie Pep for example.)

You say his best win is just Corrales. When he also beat Oscar De La Hoya, Saul Alvarez, Manny Pacquiao, Shane Mosely, Marcos Maidana, Jose Luis Castillo, Genaro Hernandez, Arturo Gatti, Miguel Cotto.

Again, this isn't even about Mayweather on a ranking of all time greats. It's just about one simple thing: Objectivity.

You say Moore and Walcott were at their best. If that is the case fine, so be it, I won't even argue against that judgement. But keep that same criteria going, don't change parameters just because you dislike a boxer, which is blatantly (overt) clear as you bring up Floyd's out-of-the-ring incidents.

I won't even disguise a personal attack towards you. Just a plain and simple question.

Can you objectively view Mayweather's boxing ability and skill?

[Rusty Tromboni]

Okay let's point it out.

The bold is ad hominem. You understand this don't you?



What did Marciano accomplish? 49-0. 43 knockouts?

You say Mayweather could never accomplish that in decades. Yet he went 50-0. The knockout part is irrelevant because Mayweather isn't that kind of boxer and not all boxers fight the same. (history subforum... Willie Pep for example.)

You say his best win is just Corrales. When he also beat Oscar De La Hoya, Saul Alvarez, Manny Pacquiao, Shane Mosely, Marcos Maidana, Jose Luis Castillo, Genaro Hernandez, Arturo Gatti, Miguel Cotto.

Again, this isn't even about Mayweather on a ranking of all time greats. It's just about one simple thing: Objectivity.

You say Moore and Walcott were at their best. If that is the case fine, so be it, I won't even argue against that judgement. But keep that same criteria going, don't change parameters just because you dislike a boxer, which is blatantly (overt) clear as you bring up Floyd's out-of-the-ring incidents.

I won't even disguise a personal attack towards you. Just a plain and simple question.

Can you objectively view Mayweather's boxing ability and skill?

It's funny, no matter how many chances I give these clowns to man up and answer straight, they still try to squirm their way out.

A simple, "you're right" would have sufficed. Instead, this guy tries to talk himself out of the position he placed himself in.

Marciano went pro at the age of 24 with no meaningful amateur preceding it. And in 8 SHORT years would retire 49-0 (42), having defended the unified Heavyweight championship 6 times. He beat HOF's, too. Charles, Moore, Louis, and Walcott. Some of the best ever P4P.

You say his best win is just Corrales. When he also beat Oscar De La Hoya, Saul Alvarez, Manny Pacquiao, Shane Mosely, Marcos Maidana, Jose Luis Castillo, Genaro Hernandez, Arturo Gatti, Miguel Cotto.

Hahahahaha!

Are you trying to be funny? Please tell me you're trying to be funny. No way any self-respecting adult would say these things.

Not one of those fighters is ATG. People rank Ezzard Charles in their top 10 P4P. Moore always falls shortly behind. People call Joe Louis the greatest Heavyweight ever. Walcott is always favorably matched in Head-to-Head discussions against similarly sized Heavyweight legends.

And however close anyone you listed might have been to being ATG material, they weren't when Floyd met them. He made damn sure of that.

What did Marciano accomplish? 49-0. 43 knockouts?

You say Mayweather could never accomplish that in decades. Yet he went 50-0. The knockout part is irrelevant because Mayweather isn't that kind of boxer and not all boxers fight the same. (history subforum... Willie Pep for example.)

pure gold.

mayweather had offense when he was fighting smaller men. he abandoned it when he ran into guys who could hit back.

Mayweather fans are the ones who go to greatest length of keeping the memory of "Pretty Boy Floyd" alive. Sure, they often exaggerate his offensive ability, but he truly was a Boxer-Puncher, not a Pure Boxer, when fighting at 130 lbs.

But even when he was fighting later in his career there was no reason for him not to use offense. He just didn't like to use it. Can you really imagine Marciano letting his opponets off the hook like Floyd did?
De La Hoya, Pacquiao, Marquez, Berto, Judah, Cotto... can you really see those guys getting a pass from the killer Marciano? Sure, Maidana and Canelo are too rugged and dangerous. But the others were easy pickings and Floyd lacked the heart. He struggled even with cutting the ring off against McGregor. A guy who was desiccated and a complete novice to Boxing.

with a guy like Whitaker or Fury I am willing to give a pass; they lack the ability to provide meaningful offense. Floyd had the ability (against out-match opponents), but just didn't want to dig that deep, preferring to leave it to the judges.

All of this is fact. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it fictitious.

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It's funny, no matter how many chances I give these clowns to man up and answer straight, they still try to squirm their way out.

A simple, "you're right" would have sufficed. Instead, this guy tries to talk himself out of the position he placed himself in.

Marciano went pro at the age of 24 with no meaningful amateur preceding it. And in 8 SHORT years would retire 49-0 (42), having defended the unified Heavyweight championship 6 times. He beat HOF's, too. Charles, Moore, Louis, and Walcott. Some of the best ever P4P.



Hahahahaha!

Are you trying to be funny? Please tell me you're trying to be funny. No way any self-respecting adult would say these things.

Not one of those fighters is ATG. People rank Ezzard Charles in their top 10 P4P. Moore always falls shortly behind. People call Joe Louis the greatest Heavyweight ever. Walcott is always favorably matched in Head-to-Head discussions against similarly sized Heavyweight legends.

And however close anyone you listed might have been to being ATG material, they weren't when Floyd met them. He made damn sure of that.



pure gold.

mayweather had offense when he was fighting smaller men. he abandoned it when he ran into guys who could hit back.

Mayweather fans are the ones who go to greatest length of keeping the memory of "Pretty Boy Floyd" alive. Sure, they often exaggerate his offensive ability, but he truly was a Boxer-Puncher, not a Pure Boxer, when fighting at 130 lbs.

But even when he was fighting later in his career there was no reason for him not to use offense. He just didn't like to use it. Can you really imagine Marciano letting his opponets off the hook like Floyd did?
De La Hoya, Pacquiao, Marquez, Berto, Judah, Cotto... can you really see those guys getting a pass from the killer Marciano? Sure, Maidana and Canelo are too rugged and dangerous. But the others were easy pickings and Floyd lacked the heart. He struggled even with cutting the ring off against McGregor. A guy who was desiccated and a complete novice to Boxing.

with a guy like Whitaker or Fury I am willing to give a pass; they lack the ability to provide meaningful offense. Floyd had the ability (against out-match opponents), but just didn't want to dig that deep, preferring to leave it to the judges.

All of this is fact. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it fictitious.

I asked you one question and you wrote all of this?

Again, this has nothing to do with the greatness of Mayweather. This has nothing to do about his spot on an ATG list.

But you turn the conversation into a debate about that.


I'll take that as a "No" then. Wonderful.

[Rusty Tromboni]

I asked you one question and you wrote all of this?

Again, this has nothing to do with the greatness of Mayweather. This has nothing to do about his spot on an ATG list.

But you turn the conversation into a debate about that.


I'll take that as a "No" then. Wonderful.

So what does my spunk taste like, anyway?

I know you like it. I saw you crack a smile, you dirty little trick.

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More reasons Marciano exceeded Mayweather in accomplishment:

- No PEDs and I.V. treatments.

- No one wore their trunks up to their neckline.

- No jockeying over gloves.

- No hoops for his opponents to jump through.

But yeah, I am "biased" for recognizing these salient facts.


Where do they find these phagytz?

[travestyny]

I asked you one question and you wrote all of this?

Again, this has nothing to do with the greatness of Mayweather. This has nothing to do about his spot on an ATG list.

But you turn the conversation into a debate about that.


I'll take that as a "No" then. Wonderful.

The idiot you that you are trying to have a civil conversation with was already banned multiple times for racism. NOTHING that he says about a black fighter should ever be taken seriously. There's a reason that he results to ****** h@mosexual fantasy talk instead of being able to engage in a civil conversation. He has deep rooted racial issues and obviously feels some kind of way about the accomplishments of black fighters. Just keep your eyes open. Eventually he'll make the same disgusting comments that he always does about black fighters and pick up another ban. I don't know why they let this clown come back.