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  • chrisJS
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    #41
    Originally posted by Mexican_Puppet
    Díaz did a very good job against Márquez

    And LaPorte said that Sánchez was better than Chávez and had better defense. Period.

    Nope, Arguello said that he would Lost against Sánchez because his superior footwork.


    Two cases about two great fighters saying the great that Sánchez was .

    But a boxing nerd as you is saying here that Sánchez was not on the top-10 of best fighters from Latín América

    Lol


    And Ramírez won that fight against Arguello, was a brilliant class from Ramírez and Alexis was in his peak
    Accept my bet.

    I don't even know what you are trying to dispute? It's possible Sanchez was BETTER, but Chavez is GREATER. The former is debatable, the latter is not. I speak as a Sanchez fan and have no feelings good or bad towards Chavez. Different fighters view things differently. Ruben Castillo gave an interview not long ago that Chavez and Arguello were both better than Sanchez and he still considered Gomez a better fighter (though he never fought Gomez). Juan LaPorte's opinion isn't the be all end all decision. Fernando Vargas said Ike Quartey was better than Felix Trinidad and Oscar De La Hoya. I call B.S on him there as an example.

    I had Ramirez beating Arguello but it was close and not a terrible decision. I am not surprised you had Ramirez. Didn't you have Palamino beating Benitez? LMAO!

    Sanchez might be one of the ten best Latin fighters, but in terms of greatness I have him just outside. It's not a terrible ranking. I still have him ahead of Trinidad, Gomez, Benitez, Saldivar, Morales, Barrera, Pedroza, Brown. There's a case for him in the top 10 as there is for my all-time favorite fighter, Marquez, but I have both outside when I factor it all in (skill, career, dominance, longevity, opposition etc) I like my top 10 (Duran, Jofre, Monzon, Napoles, Gavilan, Ortiz, Arguello, Chavez, Olivares, Rodriguez). That is a subjective ranking and I can happily explain my rankings.
    Last edited by chrisJS; 03-08-2019, 05:10 PM.

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    • Mexican_Puppet
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      #42
      Originally posted by chrisJS
      Accept my bet.

      I don't even know what you are trying to dispute? It's possible Sanchez was BETTER, but Chavez is GREATER. The former is debatable, the latter is not. I speak as a Sanchez fan and have no feelings good or bad towards Chavez. Different fighters view things differently. Ruben Castillo gave an interview not long ago that Chavez and Arguello were both better than Sanchez and he still considered Gomez a better fighter (though he never fought Gomez). Juan LaPorte's opinion isn't the be all end all decision. Fernando Vargas said Ike Quartey was better than Felix Trinidad and Oscar De La Hoya. I call B.S on him there as an example.

      I had Ramirez beating Arguello but it was close and not a terrible decision. I am not surprised you had Ramirez. Didn't you have Palamino beating Benitez? LMAO!

      Sanchez might be one of the ten best Latin fighters, but in terms of greatness I have him just outside. It's not a terrible ranking. I still have him ahead of Trinidad, Gomez, Benitez, Saldivar, Morales, Barrera, Pedroza, Brown. There's a case for him in the top 10 as there is for my all-time favorite fighter, Marquez, but I have both outside when I factor it all in (skill, career, dominance, longevity, opposition etc) I like my top 10 (Duran, Jofre, Monzon, Napoles, Gavilan, Ortiz, Arguello, Chavez, Olivares, Rodriguez). That is a subjective ranking and I can happily explain my rankings.
      Your ranking is trash and incongruent

      I don't know, but you are a proven liar.

      Jofre better than Trinidad , Olivares better than Sánchez or Márquez lol

      Ramírez won the fight, he knocked down Arguello and had other clear rounds

      Look, you were the only ignorant here saying that Sánchez was overrated .

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      • chrisJS
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        #43
        Originally posted by Mexican_Puppet
        Your ranking is trash and incongruent

        I don't know, but you are a proven liar.

        Jofre better than Trinidad , Olivares better than Sánchez or Márquez lol

        Ramírez won the fight, he knocked down Arguello and had other clear rounds

        Look, you were the only ignorant here saying that Sánchez was overrated .
        https://www.******.com/405969-best-i...azumah-nelson/

        Here's Nelson saying Gomez had more skill than Sanchez and Martinez being better than Sanchez and Whitaker. Do you think that's accurate? He says Martinez is better than Fenech who battered Martinez.

        I'm a big Tito fan, he's on my Mount Rushmore too but say he's a better fighter than Jofre shows your level of knowledge. You've never seen Jofre or don't know about him so why critique? What are his strengths/weaknesses? I've never seen one historian put Tito ahead of Jofre pound for pound. I mean legit historians too not just some biased troll on a forum who's never seen him fight and had not heard of him until a month ago.

        Where are the lies? I've offered you a bet. $20,000 of my money vs. $100 of your parents or a simple loser leaves town bet. I have proof and am willing to bet.
        Last edited by chrisJS; 03-08-2019, 05:25 PM.

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        • Robi13
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          #44
          Originally posted by Mexican_Puppet
          But look what that jerk Chris is saying hahahaha
          What i stated is a fact and what that guy said is just a comment that remains to be proven to be a fact. Don't worry about that bro. We all know Sal Sanchez was a monster at a young age. We don't know how well he would of done and nacho don't know how well he would of done either. But 4-0 with 4 kos against hof fighters is real lol. Don't pay no mind to nonsene

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            #45
            Originally posted by Archunde512
            If he wouldnt have died in that carwreck imagine what he would have done
            Like lose to PEdroza?

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              #46
              Originally posted by chrisJS
              Accept my bet.

              I don't even know what you are trying to dispute? It's possible Sanchez was BETTER, but Chavez is GREATER. The former is debatable, the latter is not. I speak as a Sanchez fan and have no feelings good or bad towards Chavez. Different fighters view things differently. Ruben Castillo gave an interview not long ago that Chavez and Arguello were both better than Sanchez and he still considered Gomez a better fighter (though he never fought Gomez). Juan LaPorte's opinion isn't the be all end all decision. Fernando Vargas said Ike Quartey was better than Felix Trinidad and Oscar De La Hoya. I call B.S on him there as an example.

              I had Ramirez beating Arguello but it was close and not a terrible decision. I am not surprised you had Ramirez. Didn't you have Palamino beating Benitez? LMAO!

              Sanchez might be one of the ten best Latin fighters, but in terms of greatness I have him just outside. It's not a terrible ranking. I still have him ahead of Trinidad, Gomez, Benitez, Saldivar, Morales, Barrera, Pedroza, Brown. There's a case for him in the top 10 as there is for my all-time favorite fighter, Marquez, but I have both outside when I factor it all in (skill, career, dominance, longevity, opposition etc) I like my top 10 (Duran, Jofre, Monzon, Napoles, Gavilan, Ortiz, Arguello, Chavez, Olivares, Rodriguez). That is a subjective ranking and I can happily explain my rankings.

              Interesting post. It brings up a good topic: at what point do we stop referring to the available footage and consider things like achievement and opposition?

              Obviously, Chavez accomplished more than Sanchez. But he never looked as good, and could not accomplish as much in so short a time.

              Chavez's high-water mark came against Taylor. He's excused for fighting above his optimal weight. But that argument really doesn't hold water. Whether you feel his best was at 130 or 135, he wasn't making a dangerous leap. He also hadn't taken so much abuse through his career that he should have been past his prime.

              In generations past I see Chavez having been more confined to Lw. He was a vicious fighter and a pleasure to watch, but his quality of opposition was nothing spectcular.

              Sanchez conversely had his hands full at 126.He had yet to rematch LaPorte, and unify against Pedroza. Forget moving up to a weight class he, frankly, wasn't ready for to fight a P4P ATG like Arguello... who himself had hit out a little longer at 130 while Duran putting on the greatest championship reign ever.

              Sanchez looked better and did more in less time, but Chavez's resume is more extensive. Maybe it's about perception and semantics, but I'm not really sure who is greater.

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              • OctoberRed
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                #47
                Originally posted by chrisJS
                https://www.******.com/405969-best-i...azumah-nelson/

                Here's Nelson saying Gomez had more skill than Sanchez and Martinez being better than Sanchez and Whitaker. Do you think that's accurate? He says Martinez is better than Fenech who battered Martinez.

                I'm a big Tito fan, he's on my Mount Rushmore too but say he's a better fighter than Jofre shows your level of knowledge. You've never seen Jofre or don't know about him so why critique? What are his strengths/weaknesses? I've never seen one historian put Tito ahead of Jofre pound for pound. I mean legit historians too not just some biased troll on a forum who's never seen him fight and had not heard of him until a month ago.

                Where are the lies? I've offered you a bet. $20,000 of my money vs. $100 of your parents or a simple loser leaves town bet. I have proof and am willing to bet.
                Something interesting optinions there.

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                • Dynamite76
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                  #48
                  I don't know, at this point in time, one of the biggest questions in boxing lore. Because he did not fight Pedroza, which kind of speaks volumes to me. In addition to that, the talent level was strong at 135, and many of those guys could beat Salvador. I could see him beating a Bazooka Limon, or a Sammy Serrano at 130, but a lot of other fights would probably be up in the air.

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                  • QueensburyRules
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                    #49
                    Originally posted by Dynamite76
                    I don't know, at this point in time, one of the biggest questions in boxing lore. Because he did not fight Pedroza, which kind of speaks volumes to me. In addition to that, the talent level was strong at 135, and many of those guys could beat Salvador. I could see him beating a Bazooka Limon, or a Sammy Serrano at 130, but a lot of other fights would probably be up in the air.
                    - -No fighter can retire having beat every fighter listed in Ring top ten month to month.

                    Nobody but some crusted buttes care about Pedroza. Facts that remain are Sal the top ten of every 23 yr old who ever fought, as high as the top 3.

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                    • Dynamite76
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                      #50
                      Originally posted by QueensburyRules
                      - -No fighter can retire having beat every fighter listed in Ring top ten month to month.

                      Nobody but some crusted buttes care about Pedroza. Facts that remain are Sal the top ten of every 23 yr old who ever fought, as high as the top 3.
                      But, the fact remains that he didn't fight Eusebio. Maybe he wasn't scared, but he probably could have fought him if he wanted to, and he chose not to.

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