Roy Jones Jr. vs Rocky Marciano

[Blue54]

This really could go either way Rocky much respect to him was good offensive fighter but really lacked the speed and footwork to catch a lighting fast guy like Roy.
The question is can Roy box off the back foot for 15 or even 12 rounds with out getting caught by a Marciano combo to put him down it cold either way honestly.

[them_apples]

they wore 8 oz since the 40's at HW, jumped to 10 oz in the 80's.

That being said rocky was crafty and knew how to get inside, was tough as nails and naturally a lot stronger and more sturdy than Jones. Rocky was a 230 lb man squeezed down to 188 with wrists the size of Jones Calves, Jones was a 160 lbder at best blown up to 200.

Early on Jones speed give him trouble, later on Rocky catches him and puts him to sleep cold. Rocky was crafty and had incredibly heavy hands.

[Rusty Tromboni]

they wore 8 oz since the 40's at HW, jumped to 10 oz in the 80's.

That being said rocky was crafty and knew how to get inside, was tough as nails and naturally a lot stronger and more sturdy than Jones. Rocky was a 230 lb man squeezed down to 188 with wrists the size of Jones Calves, Jones was a 160 lbder at best blown up to 200.

Early on Jones speed give him trouble, later on Rocky catches him and puts him to sleep cold. Rocky was crafty and had incredibly heavy hands.

goodpointon the gloves.That would really make adifference for both men.

Also a good point about Rocky getting inside. Anyone who watches clips of him on youtube will see he was actually pretty hard to hit. Harder than Chavez, IMO. But he was fighting guys better than Rosario, Camacho and Taylor. And he was willing to take a punch, like Sal Sanchez. People don't really consider that and act like he was a Holyfield or Frazier, who was sort of helpless in evading getting hit.

I do disagree about their size difference. Rocky was like Arguello and Wilder in that he didn't have a pound of useless flesh on him, and was unusually strong for his size. But I dunno if he'd benefit from extra weight. At least not against a mover.

Jones conversely bulked up and then cut massive amounts of weight (a great way of flushing the body out of any ahem...RippedFuel like substances).

DIfferent strategies. Rocky was probably more robust. But Jones regulalry fought near the same weight Marciano did, and moved quicker.

The Jones who fought Hopkins was probably bigger than the Billy Conn that fought JoeLouis. And the Jones who fought Ruiz looked as comfortable at that weight as any Pre-Liston Heavyweight we've seen. Jones might actually enter this fight the bigger man.

That being said, this is a 15 rounder w/ smaller gloves against a guy who does a whole lot more than give bear hugs. (Even then, Jones landed less than a third of his punches against Ruiz!!!) However bad things start for Marciano, I see them getting worse for Jones. He's going to need to Box, and not exhaust himself doing it.

[them_apples]

goodpointon the gloves.That would really make adifference for both men.

Also a good point about Rocky getting inside. Anyone who watches clips of him on youtube will see he was actually pretty hard to hit. Harder than Chavez, IMO. But he was fighting guys better than Rosario, Camacho and Taylor. And he was willing to take a punch, like Sal Sanchez. People don't really consider that and act like he was a Holyfield or Frazier, who was sort of helpless in evading getting hit.

I do disagree about their size difference. Rocky was like Arguello and Wilder in that he didn't have a pound of useless flesh on him, and was unusually strong for his size. But I dunno if he'd benefit from extra weight. At least not against a mover.

Jones conversely bulked up and then cut massive amounts of weight (a great way of flushing the body out of any ahem...RippedFuel like substances).

DIfferent strategies. Rocky was probably more robust. But Jones regulalry fought near the same weight Marciano did, and moved quicker.

The Jones who fought Hopkins was probably bigger than the Billy Conn that fought JoeLouis. And the Jones who fought Ruiz looked as comfortable at that weight as any Pre-Liston Heavyweight we've seen. Jones might actually enter this fight the bigger man.

That being said, this is a 15 rounder w/ smaller gloves against a guy who does a whole lot more than give bear hugs. (Even then, Jones landed less than a third of his punches against Ruiz!!!) However bad things start for Marciano, I see them getting worse for Jones. He's going to need to Box, and not exhaust himself doing it.

I don't know, most of the men back then were actually really big framed, they just trained to shed weight and never bulked or put on extra muscle outside of what was natural. They didn't have big bulked chests and thighs.

Billy conn standing beside Mike Tyson in his old age seems bigger than Tyson, even his head is. I know this is not the case for Roy Jones, who looked well muscled even at 154.

The big thing here is rocky and Jones are the same height, I don't think they are actually the same size though, Rocky is a bigger framed man, in an era where fighters trained down in weight. Rocky was 255 lbs when he retired, if Jones blew up to that he would look like my 600 lb life on his frame.

[QueensburyRules]

- -Why not 837 lbs?

[billeau2]

goodpointon the gloves.That would really make adifference for both men.

Also a good point about Rocky getting inside. Anyone who watches clips of him on youtube will see he was actually pretty hard to hit. Harder than Chavez, IMO. But he was fighting guys better than Rosario, Camacho and Taylor. And he was willing to take a punch, like Sal Sanchez. People don't really consider that and act like he was a Holyfield or Frazier, who was sort of helpless in evading getting hit.

I do disagree about their size difference. Rocky was like Arguello and Wilder in that he didn't have a pound of useless flesh on him, and was unusually strong for his size. But I dunno if he'd benefit from extra weight. At least not against a mover.

Jones conversely bulked up and then cut massive amounts of weight (a great way of flushing the body out of any ahem...RippedFuel like substances).

DIfferent strategies. Rocky was probably more robust. But Jones regulalry fought near the same weight Marciano did, and moved quicker.

The Jones who fought Hopkins was probably bigger than the Billy Conn that fought JoeLouis. And the Jones who fought Ruiz looked as comfortable at that weight as any Pre-Liston Heavyweight we've seen. Jones might actually enter this fight the bigger man.

That being said, this is a 15 rounder w/ smaller gloves against a guy who does a whole lot more than give bear hugs. (Even then, Jones landed less than a third of his punches against Ruiz!!!) However bad things start for Marciano, I see them getting worse for Jones. He's going to need to Box, and not exhaust himself doing it.

This match up is a perfect demonstration for the difference between a careful understanding of size and weight. Weight is only one aspect of size. Jones may have weighted a certain amount but was not the size of a guy like marciano.

marciano was by contrast, going to get his shots in... Archie Moore found this out and Archie had the power and the cunning to be a tough fight for Marciano. Roy just did not have the physical size, or chin to fight Marciano. He would have to pretty much avoid getting touched by Marciano to win.

[them_apples]

This match up is a perfect demonstration for the difference between a careful understanding of size and weight. Weight is only one aspect of size. Jones may have weighted a certain amount but was not the size of a guy like marciano.

marciano was by contrast, going to get his shots in... Archie Moore found this out and Archie had the power and the cunning to be a tough fight for Marciano. Roy just did not have the physical size, or chin to fight Marciano. He would have to pretty much avoid getting touched by Marciano to win.

exactly. Rocky has wrists probably twice the size of jones and a skull twice as big.

[Bjl12]

Marciano had the most basic plodding style, no head movement, no footwork, Roy would be like a kid in a candy store.

Espewith his "Ripped Fuel" supplement (Steroids)

[Granath]

Interesting topic as I was (am) a fan of both guys.

The Rock is exceptionally strong and punches like a sledgehammer. He'll also fight dirty and take two to get in close to get one. I'm not sure RJJ has the power to keep Marciano off of him.

So I think RJJ has a better chance at 160/168 of beating Marciano (who was 190) than he does at 180-190. He needs the speed, not the power, to avoid being hit hard by Rock. Going up to 200 pounds robbed RJJ of his speed and that's when Tarver kicked his butt. If Jones fought Tarver before moving up to take on Ruiz I have little doubt he wins those fights easily. His movement and hand speed at 168 were incredible and at his best he was virtually untouchable at that weight (as Vinnie Paz found out). And Jones, in his prime, could go 30 rounds without getting tired. So if he doesn't get caught he wins.

But I'm not betting on Jones on this one. Marciano is just too strong and he's not going to be dissuaded by Jones' power. He's going to keep coming and at some point he may very well catch RJJ in a corner. If so that's all she wrote. The Rock may end up chasing RJJ for a while but at some point he's going to simply rough him up and then club him to death.

[Mugwump]

Jones would be beaten before the fight even started when the guys whose surnames end in vowels made him ... ahem ... an offer he daren't refuse.