Who Could Roy Jones Not Have Beaten?

[BattlingNelson]

There are no double standards at all.

Roy missed out on certain guys, but then he chose other guys who were available, and he moved through the weights to fight them.

What did Joe do?

He stayed in a dead division for 14 years, where he had to kill himself to make weight, to fight mainly C class opposition for a lightly regarded organisation. And we know that he was more than happy to do that. And that was his prerogative. But any implication made by anyone that he didn't want to do that and that he was starved of fighting better opposition, is completely deluding themselves.

The sole reason why he didn't gain his due respect and recognition before he demolished Lacy, was because he was happy with Frank W and the opponents that he was being provided with. He was happy to fight a guy like Mario Veit again, despite the fact that he'd already beaten him in a round a few years earlier. He was also happy fighting guys like Mandredo.

Of course you have a double standard.

Oh and Jones fled smw as it became interesting so he could skip the danger. Then he moved to lhw without ever taking the fight against the champion. He just wanted trinkets and that’s the career path Jones chose. He hid behind lame mandos compared to calzaghe who did the same behind Warren.

[robertzimmerman]

Of course you have a double standard.

Oh and Jones fled smw as it became interesting so he could skip the danger. Then he moved to lhw without ever taking the fight against the champion. He just wanted trinkets and that’s the career path Jones chose. He hid behind lame mandos compared to calzaghe who did the same behind Warren.

No.

Roy moved up from SMW because he could not get the unification fights with Benn and Liles.

Instead of remaining at SMW to fight lesser guys, he then moved up to LHW and fought the majority of the top 10, with the obvious omission of Dariusz. And we have discussed that to death. Dariusz would not go to the U.S. and Roy would not go to Germany. But Roy gets no criticism from me for not taking all of the 3 main belts across to Germany, not after he'd been scarred from Seoul and he'd seen Dariusz feign injury to get Roch disqualified. And before you say that 2 of those belts belonged to Dariusz, he must have known going into the Hill fight that he couldn't keep his WBO belts along with the others. He simply must have been aware of that, as other WBO champs suffered the same fate, with the lightly regarded WBO being formed from disgruntled ex-members of the WBA. I'm sure if Dariusz had relinquished his WBO belt after the Hill fight there'd have been no issue. So you've got to wonder why he didn't do that.

Joe struggled like hell to make SMW, but he still remained there, even though he knew that Ottke wouldn't face him and that there were better opponents to target at LHW.

There is no comparison between the two fighters.

[billeau2]

P4p ranked because he travelled the globe to outclass Mundine despite injured, unifying via brutal ko over Beyer (rip) and totally dominating Andrade. The run Kessler had pre Calzaghe was outstanding.

Well its not a fantastic stretch lol but I don't know if that would make him a P4P. hes a hell of a fighter.

[QueensburyRules]

- -Zimmysan, killer smoke you got.

Darius famously appeared at a Roy match on the Eve of simultaneously matching both Rocky's 49-0 record and Joe Louis' 26 straight title wins.

Heavily interviewed by the media but snubbed by Roy and HBO. Darius was also the lineal LH champ according to the tinfoils who follow that title.

Yeah, we know, and know you know maybe sorta, kinda, maybe some day if you ever pass boxing 101.

[robertzimmerman]

- -Zimmysan, killer smoke you got.

Darius famously appeared at a Roy match on the Eve of simultaneously matching both Rocky's 49-0 record and Joe Louis' 26 straight title wins.

Heavily interviewed by the media but snubbed by Roy and HBO. Darius was also the lineal LH champ according to the tinfoils who follow that title.

Yeah, we know, and know you know maybe sorta, kinda, maybe some day if you ever pass boxing 101.

1. You need to check your dates.

2. It doesn't matter where he appeared.

Despite claiming that he was willing to fight Roy in the U.S. every time Kerry Davis of HBO tried to sit down with Dariusz and his advisor, they were ignored. Afterwards, Dariusz continued to defend his lightly regarded WBO belt against mainly C class opposition, whilst Roy fought Ruiz and Tarver after Hopkins wouldn't fight him.

Yes, Dariusz was the lineal champ. But why didn't he relinquish his WBO belt so he could keep the WBA and IBF titles?

Why did he pathetically feign injury in order to get Roch disqualified?

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That was one of the reasons why Roy wouldn't go to Germany.

Dariusz wanted nothing to do with Roy.

He was more than content to keep milking his WBO belt in the same way that Calzaghe did.

[QueensburyRules]

- -Why ask why you keep milking that worn out tit?

Point in fact, any private negotiations were never released to the public, but publicly it's a fact when Darius came to Roy's backyard he was publicly snubbed.

For context, both lost their next fights and were never the same. HBO wouldn't cough up the money for their star announcer and Roy wouldnt travel to Germany for a purse triple his best in such an historic, record breaking event.

[BattlingNelson]

No.

Roy moved up from SMW because he could not get the unification fights with Benn and Liles.

Instead of remaining at SMW to fight lesser guys, he then moved up to LHW and fought the majority of the top 10, with the obvious omission of Dariusz. And we have discussed that to death. Dariusz would not go to the U.S. and Roy would not go to Germany. But Roy gets no criticism from me for not taking all of the 3 main belts across to Germany, not after he'd been scarred from Seoul and he'd seen Dariusz feign injury to get Roch disqualified. And before you say that 2 of those belts belonged to Dariusz, he must have known going into the Hill fight that he couldn't keep his WBO belts along with the others. He simply must have been aware of that, as other WBO champs suffered the same fate, with the lightly regarded WBO being formed from disgruntled ex-members of the WBA. I'm sure if Dariusz had relinquished his WBO belt after the Hill fight there'd have been no issue. So you've got to wonder why he didn't do that.

Joe struggled like hell to make SMW, but he still remained there, even though he knew that Ottke wouldn't face him and that there were better opponents to target at LHW.

There is no comparison between the two fighters.

'Lesser guys'... You are joking of course. SMW was stacked or about to become that compared to LHW where Jones elected to stay without ever going for the main man in the division.

Jones work at SMW leaves a lot to be desired and now you are actually saying that he could have stayed there! He didn't grow out of the division, he simply left because he wouldn't pay Benn and Liles! It tells us all about Jones doesn't it? Not only was he just a trinket collector, but he also fled a peaking division in order to fight less demanding opposition north of it.

[BattlingNelson]

Well its not a fantastic stretch lol but I don't know if that would make him a P4P. hes a hell of a fighter.

Siaca, Lucas, Beyer, Mundine, Andrade was all easily dismantled and that what made him p4p'er. It's just a fact.

[robertzimmerman]

- -Why ask why you keep milking that worn out tit?

Point in fact, any private negotiations were never released to the public, but publicly it's a fact when Darius came to Roy's backyard he was publicly snubbed.

For context, both lost their next fights and were never the same. HBO wouldn't cough up the money for their star announcer and Roy wouldnt travel to Germany for a purse triple his best in such an historic, record breaking event.

Your posts are all over the place.

Again, check your dates.

I believe that Dariusz was there for the Harmon fight in 2001. But why would he have been there in 2003 near his 49th fight? Talks had fizzled out by then and Roy had just fought Ruiz.

Dariusz was never serious about fighting Roy. He kept the WBO title and lost his others. He was obviously more than happy just defending that one title.

HBO never even had the opportunity to put up any money, as Dariusz' advisor would never sit down with them.

Roy was not offered triple his purse. Where are you getting this from?

The only thing you've got right, is that Roy wouldn't travel to Germany. And who could blame him? I've showed you what Dariusz did against Roch, which you've obviously ignored.

[robertzimmerman]

Siaca, Lucas, Beyer, Mundine, Andrade was all easily dismantled and that what made him p4p'er. It's just a fact.

It's hilarious how you rip Roy's resume yet rate these wins so highly.