Who Could Roy Jones Not Have Beaten?

[robertzimmerman]

- -Frank Warren controlled British boxing back then, not Joe nor Ricky Hatton.

As soon as they contractually were able, they came to America for big fights, but Warren did arrange a few big British centric fights for them. Joes weight class was one of the strongest not only in Brit history, but overall in that time frame.

This simply has to be a troll post.

Contractually able?

Joe was happy to stay with Warren for 14 years.

Nobody made him stay that long.

He was happy with Warren, and he was happy to defend his lightly regarded WBO belt for 10 years. He's bragged numerous times of his 21 defences.

Showtime wanted him to fight in America and to move up, but he didn't want to.

The SMW division that he fought in was dead until Lacy and Kessler came on the scene. It was a barren wasteland in the late 90's-early 00's. Look who he fought. It was one of the WEAKEST divisions in boxing at the time.

You're obviously just trying to be funny.

[QueensburyRules]

- -I'll take funny and you can horde ******.

Warren was notorious for exploitive Contracts like King was in America. Ex is Mayorga who at the end of his career thinking he was free prob had King kill a half dozen lucrative fights.

Joe Happy? More ****** from you. Joe had little to show from those Warren years and made his retirement on Popkins and Roy. He like Hatton won a big judgement against Warren that they never collected much on given his propensity to declare bankruptcy.

What sorry forum were you hatched in Zimmy?

[wmute]

Damn, just imagine Roy vs. Hagler... I imagine Roy would have done a serious number on Hagler and made him look ordinary. I couldn't split a prime Roy and a prime Joe Calzaghe. Both ATGs, Roy probably ranking higher out of the two. I also think Roy done the right thing not going after Lennox Lewis at Heavyweight.

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I am not around much these days, but it looks like I should come back more often, for the entertainment value.

[The Old LefHook]

- -I'll take funny and you can horde ******.

Warren was notorious for exploitive Contracts like King was in America. Ex is Mayorga who at the end of his career thinking he was free prob had King kill a half dozen lucrative fights.

Joe Happy? More ****** from you. Joe had little to show from those Warren years and made his retirement on Popkins and Roy. He like Hatton won a big judgement against Warren that they never collected much on given his propensity to declare bankruptcy.

What sorry forum were you hatched in Zimmy?

I hadn't realized you were a dumb Brit until right now with this post. Calzaghe was riding high, fool, on a Brit wave of shallow idolatry, top of the Mark and an ATG, judging by all his statements. Calzaghe was never the least disappointed in his opposition, he and his fans maintaining at every turn they were first rate and world quality. If you are not a Brit you had ought to be.


You match every true statement with at least one absurd one. It seems to be a self-enforced rule. They are so absurd that, like this gentleman here, infrequent associates often mistake your precious analyses as the hysterics of a joking junior from the confines of a postered cavern.

[robertzimmerman]

- -I'll take funny and you can horde ******.

Warren was notorious for exploitive Contracts like King was in America. Ex is Mayorga who at the end of his career thinking he was free prob had King kill a half dozen lucrative fights.

Joe Happy? More ****** from you. Joe had little to show from those Warren years and made his retirement on Popkins and Roy. He like Hatton won a big judgement against Warren that they never collected much on given his propensity to declare bankruptcy.

What sorry forum were you hatched in Zimmy?

You have no idea what you are talking about.

I watched his entire career.

I've got his autobiography.

I know how he handled his career and what he's said over the years.

You are talking absolute nonsense.

Showtime signed him in the late 90's. But after hit and miss displays, they dropped him as he wouldn't raise his profile by fighting in America. Joe cited a fear of flying as the reason.

You're talking here about a guy who had to kill himself to make 168, despite the fact that he knew Ottke wouldn't fight him and that there were better fighters at LHW.

You're talking about a guy who once said to a national newspaper:

"I'm not chasing Roy Jones, as I don't want tough fights"

You're talking about a guy who also said:

"I'm extremely proud of my 21 defences of my WBO belt"

The guy was HAPPY with Warren for 14 of his 15 years as a pro.

After they split, Warren said that he was by far the greatest fighter he'd ever worked with, but he didn't believe in himself as much as what he should have done.

He also claims that Joe was happy to fight a guy called Freeman Barr in a WBO defence, even though Warren didn't want it. Warren also says that they had a fight with Kelly Pavlik lined up, yet he preferred to fight Roy instead, despite the fact that he'd said that the fight was pointless, as in his opinion, Roy had been shot since 2004.

You obviously don't know anything about his career.

The guy was happy to fight the Sobot's, Salem's and Veit's of the world. He also publicly claimed his joy at fighting Peter Manfredo.

Claiming that the guy was held back for 14 years before finally breaking free is absolute lunacy.

Joe could have fought in the U.S. up at LHW years before he did. But he didn't, because he didn't want to. He was happy doing what he was doing at SMW in Britain.

He was a great fighter but he wasn't overly ambitious.

He was more than happy to defend a lightly regarded belt for 10 years, for an organisation who made have a rematch with Mario Veit, despite the fact that he'd already beaten him in a single round just a few years earlier.

Frank Warren didn't make Joe do anything.

It was Joe alone who made the decision to not go to the U.S. until late into his career.

[McCauley1189]

I think Michael Nunn could have given Roy problems. Too bad they never fought. I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone look as graceful and relaxed in the ring as he did. Apparently he just got out of prison. Hope he can adjust to life after being in jail so long.

[QueensburyRules]

You have no idea what you are talking about.

I watched his entire career.

I've got his autobiography.

- -Oh, dear, you found your level with his autoB, eh?

Geeez, Louise, that explains you perfectly. Nothing wrong with Joes comp as most Brits rate him highly.

So he didn't tick the boxes of pencil necked geeks with soft noggins. He's happy, I'm happy, and most who know boxing are happy.

Oh, and when Roy fought him at the end of 2008, Roy was the 5th ranked Ring LH. and his boxrec ranking was similar.

How was that biography of Pollyanna you were struggling with?

Tinkerbell beckons too!

[robertzimmerman]

- -Oh, dear, you found your level with his autoB, eh?

Geeez, Louise, that explains you perfectly. Nothing wrong with Joes comp as most Brits rate him highly.

So he didn't tick the boxes of pencil necked geeks with soft noggins. He's happy, I'm happy, and most who know boxing are happy.

Oh, and when Roy fought him at the end of 2008, Roy was the 5th ranked Ring LH. and his boxrec ranking was similar.

How was that biography of Pollyanna you were struggling with?

Tinkerbell beckons too!

That's all you could muster?

Disappointing.

Anyway, you were put right.

That's all that matters.

It doesn't matter where Roy was ranked.

He was 3-3 in his previous 6, he hadn't had a top level win for exactly 5 years, and Joe had publicly dismissed him on several occasions beforehand. He was damaged goods. Which is the only reason Joe fought him.

[BattlingNelson]

What are you Zimmerman, blind & halfwitted too? I am not going over worn ground with you. The man fought a long line of shoe clerks. If you don't know that, get a job, son.

Yeah. Jones was a petty trinket collector and conveniently hiding behind their lame mandos. Had jones had any balls he’d have binned those trinkets in order to get real challengers.

[robertzimmerman]

Yeah. Jones was a petty trinket collector and conveniently hiding behind their lame mandos. Had jones had any balls he’d have binned those trinkets in order to get real challengers.

And how would that have happened exactly?

What are you saying?

That if he'd have dropped the belts, suddenly the likes of Liles, Dariusz, Joe and Hopkins would suddenly have wanted to have fought him?

It's a fantasy.