The "tainted Mexican beef" excuse was plausible

[BattlingNelson]

First off - there is nothing wrong with putting Clenbuterol in meat. Agriculture does not exist for god damn sporting events LMFAO

They use clenbuterol so they can get more of their cattle...it's not any more difficult than that. So yeah that gets them a few more coins in the grand scheme of things.

The only reason Clenbuterol is even a problem is because of sporting...otherwise it's no problem. Some parts of the world recognize clenbuterol as a medicinal drug (used for asthma and can even help weight loss in some instances).

And if you think Mexico is the ONLY country in the world to use chemicals on their cattle...LOLOLOL...USA, Europe, Asia...they all do it. It's just that the drugs being used in those countries aren't also banned by sporting commissions

Its not allowed in the eu for health reasons.

[BattlingNelson]

All circumstantial evidence suggest Canelo is indeed innocent...much to the dismay of many "fans"

His low levels were declared "consistent with meat contamination" by WADA director.

But not inconsistent with therapeutical use.

He had been tested OSDT at least 4 times prior leading up to the rematch with GGG and never failed a test.

Irrelevant.

The GGG camp requested testing start sooner than the beginning of traditional 8 week training camp...which was earlier than Canelo had ever been tested

A lot of boxing people, including Breadman, has always seen Canelo as a highly suspect fighter.

The tests occurred while Canelo was still in Mexico and hadn't yet moved to the U.S. - also a first for canelo

It was early and Canelo didn’t suspect it and bingo! He got caught.

Mexican meat infamous for - specifically - Clenbuterol in their meat (soccer tournament, etc.)

Canelo enrolled in WBC 365 and has passed every test

Canelo took the hair follicle test at the request of NSAC...passed that also

I suggest you read up on hair follicle test before you declare him innocent. You may be surprised, as I was, that such a thing as hair color has a major impact on test result.

Collectively the evidence all point to Canelo being innocent.

Nope.

Now if you want to talk about Pacman...that's a different story XD

Possibly, but that’s for another thread.

[ShoulderRoll]

First off - there is nothing wrong with putting Clenbuterol in meat. Agriculture does not exist for god damn sporting events LMFAO

They use clenbuterol so they can get more of their cattle...it's not any more difficult than that. So yeah that gets them a few more coins in the grand scheme of things.

The only reason Clenbuterol is even a problem is because of sporting...otherwise it's no problem. Some parts of the world recognize clenbuterol as a medicinal drug (used for asthma and can even help weight loss in some instances).

And if you think Mexico is the ONLY country in the world to use chemicals on their cattle...LOLOLOL...USA, Europe, Asia...they all do it. It's just that the drugs being used in those countries aren't also banned by sporting commissions

I would prefer the meat we ingest to be as clean, healthy, and all-natural as possible.

Putting synthetic substances in it just for the convenience and profit of the agricultural industry seems awfully misguided.

[travestyny]

But not inconsistent with therapeutical use.

When you say this, do you mean at the level that was found in Canelo's system, or do you mean with the assumption that there was once a higher level in his system?

I'm pretty sure some experts have gone on record stating that clenbuterol at the level it was found in his system would have no effect.

[Mexican_Puppet]

Yeah it’s very naive to think Canelo and his team is unaware of tainted Mexican meat.

You can't live thinking if you meat is tainted or not, there are a video of GGG eating a lot of meat in a restaurant in Kazajistán.

Why canelo can't do that,?


And second, you can buy meat of a better Quality and that meat can be tainted too

The national team of soccer had the same problema and they have a lot of money and great specialist cooking for them

[Mexican_Puppet]

First off - there is nothing wrong with putting Clenbuterol in meat. Agriculture does not exist for god damn sporting events LMFAO

They use clenbuterol so they can get more of their cattle...it's not any more difficult than that. So yeah that gets them a few more coins in the grand scheme of things.

The only reason Clenbuterol is even a problem is because of sporting...otherwise it's no problem. Some parts of the world recognize clenbuterol as a medicinal drug (used for asthma and can even help weight loss in some instances).

And if you think Mexico is the ONLY country in the world to use chemicals on their cattle...LOLOLOL...USA, Europe, Asia...they all do it. It's just that the drugs being used in those countries aren't also banned by sporting commissions

False.

In México the problem is bigger.

Of fact, only a state of México can sell meat to USA (Sonora), others stars can't export meat to u.s.a.

And nope, clembuterol and zalpiterol are not good to humans.

The use of those substances is illegal

[Bjl12]

All circumstantial evidence suggest Canelo is indeed innocent...much to the dismay of many "fans"

His low levels were declared "consistent with meat contamination" by WADA director.

But not inconsistent with therapeutical use.

A field expert says the values of Clenbuterol were consistent with meat contamination.

• Clenbuterol used for weight loss or performance enhancement can be acquired as a tablet, liquid, or injection. People using clenbuterol for this purpose typically use between 0.06 and 0.12 milligrams per day, which is higher than the recommended dosage for asthma treatment.

0.06mg is 60,000ng. The clenbuterol found in Canelo's urine was 0.6 and 0.06ng...far below ANY therapeutic levels

So, yes, Clenbuterol levels in Canelo were "inconsistent with therapeutic use".

He had been tested OSDT at least 4 times prior leading up to the rematch with GGG and never failed a test.

Irrelevant.

The event we are discussing is Canelo's drug testing results. His past and future results are literally - by definition - relevant.

Canelo never tested positive before or after and the instance in which he did test positive was the first time he was tested in Mexico.

Relevant.

The GGG camp requested testing start sooner than the beginning of traditional 8 week training camp...which was earlier than Canelo had ever been tested

A lot of boxing people, including Breadman, has always seen Canelo as a highly suspect fighter.

Opinions and suspicions are - literally - irrelevant.

For example, I suspect you're a registered republican and don't like minorities. I have "inside sources" that suggest anyone who ignores research/science is quite possibly compensating for having a little weiner.

The only thing about Canelo that I've always found suspicious was how much weight he lost and put back on in between fights. His muscularity never bothered me (see Tim Bradley and Anthony Joshua or...RJJ).

The tests occurred while Canelo was still in Mexico and hadn't yet moved to the U.S. - also a first for Canelo

It was early and Canelo didn’t suspect it and bingo! He got caught.

That is a possibility. When interpreted with all other available information though it seems less likely because:

• - His levels weren't therapeutic and were declared "consistent with meat contamination" by WADA lab director
  - Mexico has an established issue with specifically Clenbuterol in their meat
  - Canelo lives in Mexico
  - Canelo eats meat
  - Canelo never tested positive before or after
  - Canelo agreed to hair follicle test which came up...clean

Mexican meat infamous for - specifically - Clenbuterol in their meat (soccer tournament, etc.)

Canelo enrolled in WBC 365 and has passed every test

Canelo took the hair follicle test at the request of NSAC...passed that also

I suggest you read up on hair follicle test before you declare him innocent. You may be surprised, as I was, that such a thing as hair color has a major impact on test result.

Nobody said that the hair follicle test alone vindicates Canelo. However, it's just another piece of evidence that aligns with existing information which supports Canelo's innocence.

And the fact that you disregard the test from 100% to 0% because the validity of a test is affected by hair colour says enough about either your intelligence or prejudice (I suspect both are involved).

Collectively the evidence all point to Canelo being innocent.

Nope.

Sorry Donny Trump wasn't the hero you hoped he was XD XD XD

Now if you want to talk about Pacman...that's a different story XD

Possibly, but that’s for another thread.

...we won't be having that discussion as you've proven too emotional to rationally review anything.

[Bjl12]

And nope, clembuterol and zalpiterol are not good to humans.

Oxycodone is not good to humans. Coumadin (used in rat poison) is not good to humans. Sudafed is not good to humans.

Yet all 3 of those drugs are prescribed Every. Single. Day. You don't even need a prescription for Sudafed although pharmacies keep record if you purchase them (over-the-counter).

Clenbuterol is used medicinally in some parts of the world as it is an effective smooth muscle relaxer...helps with asthma/asthma attacks specifically. It also has a side effect of helping lose weight which is why it is used in some bodybuilding circles.

No medicine is "good for you" if you've consumed too much of it. All medicine is prescribed with the goal of achieving a therapeutic level.

[QueensburyRules]

--- kinda like a shot of bilge water followed by a shot of whiskey with an apple a day keeps the doctor away.

Notably absent on USADA restrictions last I checked that's been a couple years back are caffeine, nicotine, and alcohol, all of which can be used to enhance performance and have thru our ages.

But it's perfectly legal to build a multimillion dollar training center for the latest in scientific training techniques and peddle perfectly legal scientifically proven new hot off the production line PEDs is it now?

Ah so, that'll put all them dirty 3rd worlders in their place, the new BALCO with fresh shiny new faces...only in boxing!!!

[BattlingNelson]

A field expert says the values of Clenbuterol were consistent with meat contamination.

• Clenbuterol used for weight loss or performance enhancement can be acquired as a tablet, liquid, or injection. People using clenbuterol for this purpose typically use between 0.06 and 0.12 milligrams per day, which is higher than the recommended dosage for asthma treatment.

0.06mg is 60,000ng. The clenbuterol found in Canelo's urine was 0.6 and 0.06ng...far below ANY therapeutic levels

So, yes, Clenbuterol levels in Canelo were "inconsistent with therapeutic use".

No. You are assuming he wasn’t cycling off. No expert, not even Mexican, has said the level was inconsistent. Only canelos fanboys.

The event we are discussing is Canelo's drug testing results. His past and future results are literally - by definition - relevant.

Canelo never tested positive before or after and the instance in which he did test positive was the first time he was tested in Mexico.

Relevant.

So how exactly does it matter if an athlete has 100 negative tests and 2 positives? Does that mean that the 2 positives can be disregarded? Of course not. It’s the positives that matters.

Opinions and suspicions are - literally - irrelevant.

For example, I suspect you're a registered republican and don't like minorities. I have "inside sources" that suggest anyone who ignores research/science is quite possibly compensating for having a little weiner.

The only thing about Canelo that I've always found suspicious was how much weight he lost and put back on in between fights. His muscularity never bothered me (see Tim Bradley and Anthony Joshua or...RJJ).

I am not American and care only about American foreign policy.

Breadman was highly suspicious about Canelo.thats what I know.

That is a possibility. When interpreted with all other available information though it seems less likely because:

• - His levels weren't therapeutic and were declared "consistent with meat contamination" by WADA lab director
  - Mexico has an established issue with specifically Clenbuterol in their meat
  - Canelo lives in Mexico
  - Canelo eats meat
  - Canelo never tested positive before or after
  - Canelo agreed to hair follicle test which came up...clean

So a multimillion dollar athlete gets a pass because he lives in acoustic try where contaminated meat is a problem? I happen to disagree and don’t think any athlete should get a free pass.

Nobody said that the hair follicle test alone vindicates Canelo. However, it's just another piece of evidence that aligns with existing information which supports Canelo's innocence.

And the fact that you disregard the test from 100% to 0% because the validity of a test is affected by hair colour says enough about either your intelligence or prejudice (I suspect both are involved).

I go by the available scientific information. You should try that yourself. I recommend it.

Sorry Donny Trump wasn't the hero you hoped he was XD XD XD

This might have been funny if you where debating 1badgirl.

...we won't be having that discussion as you've proven too emotional to rationally review anything.

Suit yourself.