Roy Jones Jr is the first MW champion in over 100 years to win a HW title

[HOUDINI563]

WRONG! I’m dealing with a real amateur!

Spinks beat Holmes
Tyson beat Spinks
Douglas beat Tyson
Holy beat Douglas
Bowe beat Holy
Holy beat Bowe
Moore beat Holy
Foreman beat Moore
Briggs beat Foreman
Lewis beat Briggs

Lewis retired Feb 2004. Ruiz fought RJJ in March 2003.

NEXT! No more amateurs please.

[DreamFighter]

Well the truth is in between. He was a titleholder, whatever anyone says. He was one of the weakest ones we seen, with minimal real defences, and a very minimalist style to go with it. At best he was a world class points spoiler with his honed jab and grab style, with few other world class attributes.

He was not expected to be a titlist for long with his style of barely scraping decisions through dull jab grab jab, and would be expected to have lost to the other titlists.

Jones had a great opportunity, but it was also a great opportunity to get seriously lamped out and injured badly by the much bigger guy. As shown noone else has egally taken this opportunity since or decades before.

[Granath]

WRONG! I’m dealing with a real amateur!

Spinks beat Holmes
Tyson beat Spinks
Douglas beat Tyson
Holy beat Douglas
Bowe beat Holy
Holy beat Bowe
Moore beat Holy
Foreman beat Moore
Briggs beat Foreman
Lewis beat Briggs

Lewis retired Feb 2004. Ruiz fought RJJ in March 2003.

NEXT! No more amateurs please.

The board's collective IQ drops 20 points every time you post. You said Ruiz was not the "hw champion of the world". He absolutely was and you're just trying to say water isn't wet.

What you meant to say is that Ruiz was not the lineal heavyweight champion. See the difference words make, junior? Since this is an entirely unofficial designation, the lineal champion is entirely subjective. But generally the standard is the man who beat the man.

But none of your guys qualify under that definition. Holmes was never lineal champion. He beat Norton for the title. But Norton never beat the man. Going back further, even Ali wasn't the lineal champ. Why? Because Floyd Patterson never beat the man. He got it in a box-off against Archie Moore, who also didn't beat the man. In fact, it's ironic that you stop at Lewis as the end-point because either the cycle starts anew or there's not one now either.

Since Lewis gave up the belt, the lineal champ either starts again with Holyfield/Ruiz (aka Holmes/Norton) or there isn't one. Either way, it's idiotic. But then that's about all you can understand. Your knowledge of boxing is so clearly surface level that it's laughable and the Haterade that you obviously drink is spilling down your bib. Here's a sipper cup. :wank:

[HOUDINI563]

No. There is only one hwt champion of the world. There can be many paper title holders. Ruiz was a paper title holder. Being a paper title holder does not make you worlds hwt champion. Study up and in 50 years you may be able to compete. Jones found the path of least resistance to win a paper title in an era of oh so many paper titles. Meaningless.

Mickey Walker, former middleweight champion, efforts as a hwt we’re FAR more impressive and there were No Roids back in the early 1930’s.

- Johnny Risko (2x) (HW) (27, 29 lbs)
- DREW with Jack Sharkey (No.2 HW/former hwt champion) (29 lbs)
- King Levinsky (HW) (23 lbs)
- Paulino Uzcudun (HW)
(27 lbs)

[HOUDINI563]

I’ll debate you concerning any boxing topic. I’ve followed the sport and it’s hustory including original research since 1970. You?

Ruiz fought RJJ before Lewis retired. His paper title is as meaningless as your existence.

[QueensburyRules]

--- Translation for the boxing know it all needs:

Lenny sold 1/3 of his alleged lineal title to Ruiz and King, and another 1/3 to Byrd and King leaving Lenny as a minority stakeholder.

Ruiz and lefty Byrd were ranked heavies during Lenny's era and after he retired days before the WBC was scheduled to strip him of his last title.

The irony of Lenny the lion going out like a newborn lamb is lost in the vacuum of your incessant hysteria, but your lack of awareness don't change the established facts...just the facts ma'am!!!

[Granath]

I’ll debate you concerning any boxing topic. I’ve followed the sport and it’s hustory including original research since 1970. You?

Ruiz fought RJJ before Lewis retired. His paper title is as meaningless as your existence.

I didn't have to research. I was there, watching the fights live back then, either via closed-circuit TV or on one of the big 3 TV stations. Listen boy, you've been owned. Posting multiple times just inflates your post count, not your intellect.

Hustory?

Mickey Walker win a HW title? No? Then STFU. Apples and oranges. Hell, he didn't even win the Lt. Heavy title. LOL Hell, you'd have a better argument with James Toney. Oh yeah, but RJJ beat him too.

[HOUDINI563]

No idea what your talking about.

Walker beating any of those contenders in an era of one hwt champion was far superior to Jones JUST beating Ruiz in an era of many paper titlests.

I’ve watched Ali, Norton, Shavers, Foreman and Frazier live and in person. That’s just the top hwts of the 70’s. Did you attend Ali Norton 3? I did.

[HOUDINI563]

Oh BTW you also have amateur level understanding of the lineal (worlds hwt championship) title. Lineal does not always mean you beat the previous title holder. It usually does but the exception is when a true hwt champion retires. Sharkey and Sharkey were well understood as the two best after Tunney retired. Moore and Patterson were considered the two best when Marciano retired. Both Schmeling and Patterson as such were the new lineal and true champion. Holmes beat the universal No 1 and UNCROWNED champion in Norton, beat leading contender Shavers and to add icing on the cake the unretired Ali. Holmes was universally considered the best hwt and the rightful new lineal champion. The hwt tournament that eventually crowned John Tate new champion was a sham who no one considered valid. It spawned the long list of paper champions Weaver, Dokes, Coetzee, Page, Berbick, Witherspoon, Thomas, Smith. None of which had any historical claim to the worlds hwt championship. A title is only as valid as the history behind it.

When RJJ beat Ruiz, Lewis was worlds hwt champion. Ruiz was a contender who happen to hold a paper political title without any historical merit.

That’s boxing history 101. Study up you need it!

[QueensburyRules]

Oh BTW

That’s boxing history 101. Study up you need it!

--- Study up sweetie, that's been my boxing line for the last 20 yrs.

Yer plagiarism is excused only because yer brokeass ain't worth suing.

You burning in embarrassment is satisfaction enough for me.