Worst scorecard ever?

[OCPancho]

Jose Luis Ramirez over Whitaker
118-113

But 148-147 for Leonard-Duran 1 where Duran was only -2 and Leonard was -3 in a 15 round fight ???? Meaning the judge had TEN ROUNDS EVEN. TOP THAT.

[Dempsey-Louis]

Jose Luis Ramirez over Whitaker
118-113

But 148-147 for Leonard-Duran 1 where Duran was only -2 and Leonard was -3 in a 15 round fight ???? Meaning the judge had TEN ROUNDS EVEN. TOP THAT.

Guess you didn't read my post - that is the way to score a fight, ten rounds of that fight were even. To give any of those rounds to either fighter was going to be nothing more than personal preference of style. If the round isn't obvious then it should be called even. That's why for decades all they needed was the referee's decision, because those refs only gave a round (a fight) to a fighter when it was obvious, otherwise they called it a draw.

That Japanese judge (I think he was Japanese) gave us the best judging of the last 50 years!

We need to go back to ND fights and stop stealing fights from fighters who didn't lose just because we, the bookmakers, and TV want decisions.

We force decisions that aren't really there. We count punches whether effective or not and make up vague terms like "effective aggressiveness" (which nobody actually knows what the hell that means) all so we can force a decision, and then we complain when they give us their 'opinion' and we call it bad judging because it was different than our 'opinion.'

Leonard-Hagler should have been called a ND fight, that would have been a just decision.

I'm going to start a movemant: "Bring back no decision fights!"

[OCPancho]

Guess you didn't read my post - that is the way to score a fight, ten rounds of that fight were even. To give any of those rounds to either fighter was going to be nothing more than personal preference of style. If the round isn't obvious then it should be called even. That's why for decades all they needed was the referee's decision, because those refs only gave a round (a fight) to a fighter when it was obvious, otherwise they called it a draw.

That Japanese judge (I think he was Japanese) gave us the best judging of the last 50 years!

We need to go back to ND fights and stop stealing fights from fighters who didn't lose just because we, the bookmakers, and TV want decisions.

We force decisions that aren't really there. We count punches whether effective or not and make up vague terms like "effective aggressiveness" (which nobody actually knows what the hell that means) all so we can force a decision, and then we complain when they give us their 'opinion' and we call it bad judging because it was different than our 'opinion.'

Leonard-Hagler should have been called a ND fight, that would have been a just decision.

I'm going to start a movemant: "Bring back no decision fights!"

If you think 10 rounds of that fight were even, you probably take an hour to pick food at the buffet .

[billeau2]

I am of the unpopular opinion that most 10-9 rounds (either way) should be scored even. I felt the Judge who scored Duran-Leonard (I) 10 rounds even is the way to go. If one fighter doesn't dominate a round than no one should get the round.

I wouldn't even have a problem with the return of ND fights (screw the gamblers and book makers) the way things are today we give too much power to the judges; we make them too important.

Yes!!!!! Agreed. Having to give the round to one guy or the other has destroyed the sport. And when neither guy showed materially that they were effective, able to utilize a strategy, the fight is in fact a draw. There is so much they could do and be true to these concepts: A draw could elicit an overtime, or a rematch. Judging has indeed destroyed the integrity of this sport.

[billeau2]

The worst one i've ever seen was in Adrien Broner vs Daniel Ponce de Leon. It was a very close fight and one of the judges scored it 99-91 for Broner.

Yes. i never say the worse, because there are more "worsts" in judges scorecards than a German Deli (Wursts).

So lets put your comment about the Broner decision in context: While this was the most eggregious of decisions rewarded to Broner, there were at least two more that were bad decisions...that means this guy could/should have a totally different record. Thats how much the judges screw us.

[billeau2]

Guess you didn't read my post - that is the way to score a fight, ten rounds of that fight were even. To give any of those rounds to either fighter was going to be nothing more than personal preference of style. If the round isn't obvious then it should be called even. That's why for decades all they needed was the referee's decision, because those refs only gave a round (a fight) to a fighter when it was obvious, otherwise they called it a draw.

That Japanese judge (I think he was Japanese) gave us the best judging of the last 50 years!

We need to go back to ND fights and stop stealing fights from fighters who didn't lose just because we, the bookmakers, and TV want decisions.

We force decisions that aren't really there. We count punches whether effective or not and make up vague terms like "effective aggressiveness" (which nobody actually knows what the hell that means) all so we can force a decision, and then we complain when they give us their 'opinion' and we call it bad judging because it was different than our 'opinion.'

Leonard-Hagler should have been called a ND fight, that would have been a just decision.

I'm going to start a movemant: "Bring back no decision fights!"

Wish they would let me give you green K on this post Dempsey... They won't. Great idea. Punchstat is another one...its an interesting statistic but the way it is used more often than not, we should just let the fighters stay in the corner and throw punches in the air and count them.

[OCPancho]

Yes. i never say the worse, because there are more "worsts" in judges scorecards than a German Deli (Wursts).

So lets put your comment about the Broner decision in context: While this was the most eggregious of decisions rewarded to Broner, there were at least two more that were bad decisions...that means this guy could/should have a totally different record. Thats how much the judges screw us.

Err , bad, worse , worst .

No such thing as more worse.
Adjective- Positive, Comparative and Superlative.. Bad, Worse, Worst

[Zaroku]

I’m all in on Canelo losing... within 10...

My wife will beat my azz if I am wrong..



GGG won... first fight..

[dan_cov]

Jerry Roth having Brandon Rios beating Abril 116-112 was a sickener

[Tom Cruise]

Canelo has had two. The 118-110 card in the GGG fight, and 114-114 card in the Mayweather fight. He's had some others as well but cant remember off the top of my head, these were the worst ones.

Both were incomprehensible. Cant even say they were due to incompetence, has to be corruption.