Lomachenko vs Pep

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  • The Old LefHook
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    #21
    Lomachenko decided to do it differently. Instead of starting out with twenty or so bums he started out with championship caliber fighters. For God's sake, you forking idiots, that is what we have been waiting for--someone to defy traditions that are only in place for promoters to sop up money. Super talents starting out with easy bums is nothing more than a milking lesson, idiots, and you are the cows. The kid had 400 amateur fights. He understood his situation was different than a kid's coming to the pros from forty or fifty amateur fights. Give him kudos. All people want to do is slam him. Of course they are already saying idiotic things about his opponent--he is a pure bum, etc. Baloney, the guy was a good fighter who looked like a giant against him.

    It is not too early to put this guy in with Pep in a mythical matchup, since he would beat most of the opponents Pep did fight. Or is some halfwit on here about to tell me all Peps opponents or most of them would stomp poor baby Loma or that Pep would stomp him easily.

    No, Pep would instantly recognize that here is one of the best fighters he has ever been in with, someone who is going to challenge and extend him technically, which hardly ever happened in the real world. Willie was always the one giving the advanced lessons.

    Pep had the deepest medicine bag of all time. Watching him in action is always pure fascination. You instantly know here is one of the greatest to ever lace them up. From watching his films, you learn that moves you thought other boxing geniuses invented, Willie already knew.

    The one thing missing was a hard punch. Willie was feather-fisted. Even his blistering speed which concealed the arrival of punches so effectively was seldom enough advantage to produce a KO. It is not a dangerous fight for Loma. Loma punches harder than Willie. Never doubt that or listen to anyone who says otherwise. Loma has a decent chance to KO Willie, whereas Willie has almost zero chance to KO Loma. Body shots can be landed on anyone. Placing them with precision on Willie they way one does on normal fighters, may prove impossible, however. Loma does not punch as hard as Saddler, but his stuff arrives much more clandestinely when the opponent cannot always be set to take a good shot.

    Pep has to be at least a 3-1 favorite, because as a proven commodity he is the best pure boxer of all time, or at least never does worse than 3rd in such a category. However, Lomachenko is the most complete fighter to ever enter the pro ranks as a novice, and one of the more talented as well, and he is deeply trained. It is a good match, halfwits, well thought out by myself, and there is no one who can challenge the iron logic and analysis of Lefhook. I let you bask in my presence. Be satisfied with that, or draw your sword, churls.

    But odds are made to be beaten. The true odds will be much closer than 3-1, though I still expect the great Pep to win.

    I expect the Ruskie to have 25-30 fights and retire. If he signs the right fights, that is all that are needed to place him in the firmament of the greats and get out of the game with all his marbles.

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    • mikeg1224
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      #22
      I went to the tale of the tape on both fighters and I was surprised to see that Lomachenko's reach is only 65.5 "" although he is supposedly 5' 7" tall whereas Pep has a 68" reach standing 5' 5".

      In any event, being 72 years old, I did have the pleasure of seeing Pep fight many times.
      Now, I am equally delighted to see Lomachenko fight.
      All I could say is that this would be one heckuva battle.
      Better yet, if it were a trilogy, I think Pep wins the 3rd fight by a very narrow margin; also, it wouldn't surprise me to see Lomachenko KO Pep in either their 1st or 2nd fight following the Saddler vs. Pep script.

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      • HOUDINI563
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        #23
        One of Lomos issues is as follows:

        He is unproven.

        The characteristics of an ATG fighter is more than the ability to fight. It's in large part showing the drive and determination to keep fighting even when hurt and losing. Everyone looks good when they are winning.

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        • QueensburyRules
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          #24
          --- Translation:

          The mighty Houdini penalizes fighters for showing class over top fighters.

          OhhhhK, glad we got that sorted!

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            #25
            Willie Pep would never have lost to Orlando Salido.

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            • Bundana
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              #26
              Originally posted by ShoulderRoll
              Willie Pep would never have lost to Orlando Salido.

              Not even in his 2nd pro fight?

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                #27
                Originally posted by ShoulderRoll
                Willie Pep would never have lost to Orlando Salido.
                --- True enough as a featherweight in an honest jurisdiction, but as a cheating 150lb superwelt with Laurence Cole tag teaming Willie, Willie's burnt toast.

                Context man, context. Without context, life is always gonna be a crap shoot.

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                  #28
                  Originally posted by Bundana
                  Not even in his 2nd pro fight?
                  Willie Pep at age 26 would not have lost to Orlando Salido.

                  Pep is arguably the greatest featherweight ever. To me it's insulting to already be rushing to put Lomachenko on the same level, after only 12 fights.

                  And I say that as a fan of Lomachenko's fighting style. I've commented before that I think he is special.

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                  • Bundana
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                    #29
                    [QUOTE=ShoulderRoll;18779845]Willie Pep at age 26 would not have lost to Orlando Salido.

                    Pep is arguably the greatest featherweight ever. To me it's insulting to already be rushing to put Lomachenko on the same level, after only 12 fights.

                    And I say that as a fan of Lomachenko's fighting style. I've commented before that I think he is special.[/QUOTE

                    Ok, so you don't want to answer that question.

                    Does this mean, that the only reasonable thing to do, in your opinion, is to compare prime Pep with over 100 pro bouts under his belt - with Lomachenko when he had a 1-1 record?

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                    • TonyGe
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                      #30
                      Originally posted by HOUDINI563
                      One of Lomos issues is as follows:

                      He is unproven.

                      The characteristics of an ATG fighter is more than the ability to fight. It's in large part showing the drive and determination to keep fighting even when hurt and losing. Everyone looks good when they are winning.
                      I think he proved that he would keep fighting in the Salido and Linares fights.

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