If Andre Ward is genuinely retired...

[Anthony342]

Hell yeah and I have a feeling Kovalev might do just that.

[New England]

he's the best super middleweight of the era, one of the best ever at the weight. moved up to 175 and became the guy, but hardly has a historic tier resume there.

he's not one of the 100 most accomplished boxers ever. he had tremendous skills and was a very talented boxer, but he did not do enough to be an "All time great," if your criteria is being among the top 100 guys ever. frankly i don't think he's that close.


he is a shoe in for the hall of fame. he's got a better resume and was a more able fighter than a lot of the guys in canastota

[New England]

Would Ward rank higher at 168 than Roy Jones?

ward wouldn't win a round off of jones. i thnk that means a good deal.


jones also has a win over prime toney, a hell of a better figher than prime froch, prime kessler, etc. ward did have a solid run of basically everybody at 168, other htan bute who was hhugely overrated and couldn't get out of the fifth round with a relatively slow carl froch.

[IronDanHamza]

he's the best super middleweight of the era, one of the best ever at the weight. moved up to 175 and became the guy, but hardly has a historic tier resume there.

he's not one of the 100 most accomplished boxers ever. he had tremendous skills and was a very talented boxer, but he did not do enough to be an "All time great," if your criteria is being among the top 100 guys ever. frankly i don't think he's that close.


he is a shoe in for the hall of fame. he's got a better resume and was a more able fighter than a lot of the guys in canastota

I think you have to say he's #1 at 168.

But agree with you definitely not an ATG but definite HOF'er.

[Anthony342]

Thanks for the assessments, New England and IronDanHamza, that's the career info I was looking for on Ward. Kind of what I suspected, since he didn't stick around for long. Ward should be pretty good as a regular commentator, if he wants to go that route.

[OctoberRed]

ward wouldn't win a round off of jones. i thnk that means a good deal.


jones also has a win over prime toney, a hell of a better figher than prime froch, prime kessler, etc. ward did have a solid run of basically everybody at 168, other htan bute who was hhugely overrated and couldn't get out of the fifth round with a relatively slow carl froch.

^^^^^^^^^^^^ this!

[Sugar Adam Ali]

The GOAT at 168

ATG fighter

I would say top 100 lock


And I do think he is retired, he has made millions, undefeated, coming off career defining wins, plus I think the CTE stuff is a motivator to leave the game with senses intact