Sugar Ray Leonard beats Floyd Mayweather Jr.

[The Old LefHook]

It looks like Jermal Charlo has a brutal jab.

[CatchAndShoot]

Floyd at 147 is not a great fighter hell he's not a "fighter" at all.
He was a defensive first counter styled boxer at 147. That in mind he will not fare well against great welters. Floyd was a high quality competitor at 130 not 147. He would barely break the top twenty at welter. Remember he only has 11 or 12 bouts at welter. His quality bouts at 147 were against out of prime men or men moving up to get paid!

I put a list up many times of welters that would destroy him, everyone saw what a club fighter like Marcos did to him just being aggressive along with Floyd not being able to hurt a real welter.

49-0 is a good record but his welter sheet reads 11-0 against who?

Ray

How in the hell can you say he wasn't a "high quality opponent" at 147? He racked up his best wins at that weight class. And people always like to say he was prime in 135/140, but in reality, he hit his absolute prime at 147, and that's not even debatable. The Floyd that beat Zab would beat any previous version.

And this thinking that he opened up the most at 135/140 is ******. He just fought guys his size at 147, and couldn't just open up as much, because he wasn't fighting a bunch of way out of their league fighters. His competition rose, so of course he couldn't open up as much.

And this fallacy of him being a small WW, is his biggest trick that he actually pulled off convincing people. He's actually a pretty big WW, and has never been smaller than any of his WW opponents. Maidana might have weighed more, but remember, Floyd doesn't have an inch of fat on him, while Maidana has a good amount of fat on his body. And a lot of his fights, like his Pacquiao fight, he doesn't indulge his fight night weight, because then it shatters the illusion that he's a small WW, which he sure as hell isn't.

I bet he's actually bigger than, or pretty much the same size as Ray Leonard when he was fighting at WW. I can almost guarantee that.

And with all that being said, I think Sugar Ray absolutely smokes him. There's just nothing in Floyd's arsenal that would prevent Sugar from coming forward, and ******* his **** up. And he wouldn't even have to march forward, and tear him out the frame. He could just as easily box with him, and just catch him with a laser counter punch, and hurt him, and finish him, sooner or later.

[CatchAndShoot]

I think Sugar Ray would beat Floyd on most days. It would probably be comparable to the Benitez fight with all the parrying and making each other miss but I believe Leonard lands the harder punches and I believe he lands more punches as well because I don't think Floyd has the power to keep Ray in check. Regardless, it wouldn't be a cake walk for either and I could possibly see Leonard get a late round TKO as well.

Edit: on second thought comparing Benitez to Floyd isn't indicative of a Floyd/Leonard fight because Benitez was notorious for laziness in training and Floyd is the opposite. It would probably be a less likely scenario in a bout with Floyd.

But also remember, Benitez was very willing to throw his hands, and while being a defensive cutie, he could really crack, and get your respect. Also, he was a much better defender at range in a slug out type of fight.

Floyd not only would never engage Ray, but he doesn't have the power to keep him honest, at all. You have to actually throw your hands in order to land something big, and earn a savage like Ray's respect.

[CatchAndShoot]

lmao @ ''t/f'' as if the outcome can be proven

this is just a popularity contest and theyre never dependable

what about may vs srl below ww ?

Bro, Floyd's one of the most popular fighters on this site, and has a **** ton of alts from his fans that vote in polls like these, and post their nonsense, and jibberish.

The fact that you don't have like 20 people voting for him shows you the level of respect Ray Leonard has, not because of how popular he is, but because of how savage he is. Sometimes we can just discuss a match up without fanboy glasses on. That's also why I barely post on this site anymore.

[CatchAndShoot]

People dont realise that these threads are a big compliment to Floyd rather than an insult.

WW was almost his highest weight and you are comparing him to one of the greats in that class who stepped up multiple divisions after that.

Compare him to greats from 130-140 and things get a hell of a lot more interesting. How many fighters can we find to beat Floyd then? My bet is not much more than a handful

Bruh, all you had to say was, he loses. No need to think that deep about this. And it's a fantasy match up, and ******ed fans of boxing call Floyd TBE. Of course we're gonna discuss this match up.

[CatchAndShoot]

this, all damn day.

i keep telling fools who keep matching may with the best means hes in the atg convo. and they match him vs guys in their prime whos bigger than him.

mays best is below ww. i dont know who would beat may below ww and those at or above would not have an easy time.

when was the last time pac was matched vs an atg

Damn, you a Flowmo. Never knew that about you, but you still the homie. But dude, Floyd wasn't this tiny WW, like people think.

[Elroy The Great]

Bro, Floyd's one of the most popular fighters on this site, and has a **** ton of alts from his fans that vote in polls like these, and post their nonsense, and jibberish.

The fact that you don't have like 20 people voting for him shows you the level of respect Ray Leonard has, not because of how popular he is, but because of how savage he is. Sometimes we can just discuss a match up without fanboy glasses on. That's also why I barely post on this site anymore.

true the bold...people love to hate him.

its nice to see non fans gather and vote on which prime hof will ''pulverize'' may. funny how it always comes to that !

[Elroy The Great]

Damn, you a Flowmo. Never knew that about you, but you still the homie. But dude, Floyd wasn't this tiny WW, like people think.

i tells it like i sees it. not gonna stop being a fan cause ''friends'' arent.

mays best was not ww.
boxing fans should know this.
he got by on talent and smarts.
below ww, he was the complete fighter.

thing is, these hypo fights cant have an absolute answer. just a popular one.

[CatchAndShoot]

true the bold...people love to hate him.

its nice to see non fans gather and vote on which prime hof will ''pulverize'' may. funny how it always comes to that !

Yeah, bro, it's just opinions. I honestly consider Sugar the GOAT, so me saying he'd beat Floyd, isn't some indictment on Floyd and his skills. He's still a beast, but Sugar is THAT dude.

[CatchAndShoot]

i tells it like i sees it. not gonna stop being a fan cause ''friends'' arent.

mays best was not ww.
boxing fans should know this.
he got by on talent and smarts.
below ww, he was the complete fighter.

thing is, these hypo fights cant have an absolute answer. just a popular one.

OK, I agree, they can't be concrete, but just my opinion, and I personally think Ray is the GOAT, so not like I'm calling him a bum.

I respect your love of Floyd. He's a certified ATG, and you have no idea how hyped I was when he beat up Conor. I was jumping up and down, and going buck last night lol.