For those of you who put think Marciano is overrated

[brownpimp88]

I guess you never heard of fighters like Joe Borrell, Jack Blackburn, Al McCoy, George Chip, Jack Dillon, Battling Levinsky, Jeff Smith, Mike McTigue, Gunboat Smith, Billy Miske, Bill Brennan, Mike Gibbons, Tommy Gibbons, Tommy Loughran, Johnny Wilson, Tiger Flowers, Jimmy Slattery, Mickey Walker and Maxie Rosenbloom. All the them were Contenders or Champions. Greb was only a middleweight and if you know anything about the sport of boxing you will know that several of these men fought for the Heavyweight Championship of the World and Greb beat all of them.

The more you write, the more people will know how much you DON'T KNOW about the sport of boxing. So if I was you, I would keep my mouth shut from on now.

Yeah they were contenders for dempsey's heavyweight belt and they lost to greb haha. You are telling me that is a better resume than what hagler has, nice try, try again. Monzon retired cuz he was scared to fight hagler, his little buddy corro dodged hagler too. So basically hagler could have been champ for a ****in decade if it wasnt for politics, he was still champ for a much longer time period than good ole greb. Not to mention the fact that hagler hs never been dominated in a fight, he arguably beat leonard and his draw with vito antuofermo was a screwjob so hagler should have been champ since thier first fight.

Robo #1, i do it by head to head comparisons. That is the best way, some fighters accomplish more due to politics and thats why i dont like to judge it that way.

[hhascup]

Yeah they were contenders for dempsey's heavyweight belt and they lost to greb haha. You are telling me that is a better resume than what hagler has, nice try, try again. Monzon retired cuz he was scared to fight hagler, his little buddy corro dodged hagler too. So basically hagler could have been champ for a ****in decade if it wasnt for politics, he was still champ for a much longer time period than good ole greb. Not to mention the fact that hagler hs never been dominated in a fight, he arguably beat leonard and his draw with vito antuofermo was a screwjob so hagler should have been champ since thier first fight.

Like I stated before, keep talking, your sounding more and more like a person that knows nothing about the sport or history of boxing. I am not saying that Greb was better then Hagler, what I am saying is that Greb was a Great boxer as well as Hagler.

[The Surgeon]

Cool Pimp, if u did it the other way i gaurentee u ur list would be well different! For the record i rate Hagler as the best middle of all time too, even tho i dont agree with everything ur saying dude

[brownpimp88]

Like I stated before, keep talking, your sounding more and more like a person that knows nothing about the sport or history of boxing. I am not saying that Greb was better then Hagler, what I am saying is that Greb was a Great boxer as well as Hagler.

greb is decent but he is only top 10 due to accomplishments, no way is he top 10 head to head skills wise. I can easily name 10 fighters that would have beaten dempsey.

[brownpimp88]

Cool, if u did it the other way i gaurentee u ur list would be well different! For the record i rate Hagler as the best middle of all time too, even tho i dont agree with everything ur saying dude

That's fair, greb dominated his era, mickey walker, tony zale, monzon, hagler and b-hop all dominated thier own era too. I just think hagler was greater than them all, he quit due to politics of the game and was never dominated during any of his 67 fights.

[Kid Achilles]

How the **** can you say anything about Greb in head to head matchups when no film of his fights survive? Do you realize that you have no ****ing idea how he'd fare against Hagler? Everything that comes out of your mouth is just a toss into the dark but you say it like it's a fact.

Everything I've researched about the guy tells me that fight would go the distance, little chance of a knockout or stoppage IMO unless it's Hagler getting cut and it'd be close.

Greb abd Hagler were two of the greatest middleweights ever, let's leave it at that. I rank Greb above Hagler because I think accomplishments are much more important than who I think would win in a head to head matchup. Head to head matchups are a completely subjective exercise and honestly we have a hard enough time guessing the outcome between fights between two guys in 2006, let alone in different eras. Going by accomplishments is the less biased, more objective method of ranking fighters.

[Kid Achilles]

That's fair, greb dominated his era, mickey walker, tony zale, monzon, hagler and b-hop all dominated thier own era too. I just think hagler was greater than them all, he quit due to politics of the game and was never dominated during any of his 67 fights.

How many light heayweights and heavyweights did Hagler fight?

[brownpimp88]

How many light heayweights and heavyweights did Hagler fight?

Hagler was a small middleweight, michael spinks was a large light heavyweight. If hagler would have moved up, that means he would have been stripped of his middleweight belt and why would u do that when you are the undisputed champion of the division.

The heavyweights of the 80's were all frauds and ended up getting exposed by holmes and tyson. If you suggest that hagler should have fought them, that is insane. They are way bigger than the heavyweights of the 20's.

[hhascup]

Hagler was a small middleweight, michael spinks was a large light heavyweight. If hagler would have moved up, that means he would have been stripped of his middleweight belt and why would u do that when you are the undisputed champion of the division.

The heavyweights of the 80's were all frauds and ended up getting exposed by holmes and tyson. If you suggest that hagler should have fought them, that is insane. They are way bigger than the heavyweights of the 20's.

Greb was 5'8", Hagler was 5'9"

Greb fought a lot of Light Heavyweights as well as Heavyweights in his day. Mickey Walker (5'7"), who won both the Welterweight and Middleweight Titles fought many Light Heavyweights and even fought Jack Sharkey to a draw and also fought Max Schmeling and they were both Heavyweight Champions.

[brownpimp88]

Greb was 5'8", Hagler was 5'9"

Greb fought a lot of Light Heavyweights as well as Heavyweights in his day. Mickey Walker (5'7"), who won both the Welterweight and Middleweight Titles fought many Light Heavyweights and even fought Jack Sharkey to a draw and also fought Max Schmeling and they were both Heavyweight Champions.

Yeah but larry holmes is 6'3 and around 235, Tyson is 220. Not to mention that both of them were way too skilled and big in thier primes, you can't blame hagler for having a smart manager. Could he have fought at 168, yes. However that division was brand new back then and didnt have money making fights. Hgaler made money by fighting hearns, duran and the top contenders during his era. He might have moved up if that ***** ray leonard would have given him a re-match.