For those of you who put think Marciano is overrated

[brownpimp88]

Pimp you're a ****ing moron, no offense meant. I actually think you may be a troll to be honest, just here to rile people up. Footage of Greb? You say you saw him in action? Nope, you're full of ****. Footage of Greb in a pro fight does not exist. There's only short clips of him shadowboxing and sparring, that's it, and you can't tell **** from that.

Dempsey a crude brawler? Looks like someone watched the first round of Dempsey-Willard and is judging a fighter's entire career and fighting by that moment.

You need to do your homework and shut the **** up, because the **** your talking stinks and I'm sick of the smell quite frankly. When guys like you with only a miniscule knowledge of boxing and boxing history start running their mouth and talking **** about legends, they need to be told off. You started with the disrespectful attitude by talking trash about Dempsey and Greb so I have no qualms about telling you to **** off.

For your information, Greb is considered by most historians to be one of the P4P greatest fighters of all time. He had an almost inhuman chin and stamina, and many who later lived to see SRR claimed that Greb was quicker of hand and foot than Sugar Ray. He had plenty of raw talent and a very unorthodox nonstop action style that made him a nightmare for anyone to fight, whether a boxer or a slugger. I don't think I know of a single respected historian who doesn't have Greb in their top ten P4P list, at least. At middleweight, he's without any argument a top five middleweight. Many have him at the #1 or #2 spot.

You can digest these facts while you're busing shuting the **** up and come back to me with an apology. Not to me, but to the great men who you've insulted.

Shut the **** up, they can have thier legacies and i really dont care. In today's era, they wouldnt last. Hagler is a better fighter than greb, there really isnt much to it. Holyfield would have outclassed dempsey with ease, you know nothing. You are the typical guy that will give old school guys inhuman powers. Does wilt chamberlain average 50 points per game in todays era, dream on. It's called evolution dumb****.

[Brockton Lip]

Shut the **** up, they can have thier legacies and i really dont care. In today's era, they wouldnt last. Hagler is a better fighter than greb, there really isnt much to it. Holyfield would have outclassed dempsey with ease, you know nothing. You are the typical guy that will give old school guys inhuman powers. Does wilt chamberlain average 50 points per game in todays era, dream on. It's called evolution dumb****.

Its been said many times that boxing is one of the few sports to have gotten worse as time went on. The majority of fighters are just not as good as the ones from the past.

[brownpimp88]

Its been said many times that boxing is one of the few sports to have gotten worse as time went on. The majority of fighters are just not as good as the ones from the past.

It has gotten worse from the the post 70's era, not from the 20's. That is due to more sanctioning bodees really, we dont need the wbo, its useless. Even joe frazier said in his book that the sport is fine with 2 or 3 bodies, but with extra companies coming in, it will get worse.

[Kid Achilles]

Boxing has gotten worse from the fifties actually, after that the boxing venues started dying out and gyms closed. Up until then, you could find many gyms in each city.

Fact of the matter is for you to state that Hagler was better than Greb in such a matter of fact way, without ever even seeing footage of Greb fighting, shows you really have no credibility.

[hhascup]

Boxing has gotten worse from the fifties actually, after that the boxing venues started dying out and gyms closed. Up until then, you could find many gyms in each city.

Fact of the matter is for you to state that Hagler was better than Greb in such a matter of fact way, without ever even seeing footage of Greb fighting, shows you really have no credibility.

Just to let you know, I happen to be a Deacon in my church in Lodi, New Jersey, so I can't use several of these words.

When someone says that Greb and Dempsey were bums, then I know I am talking to someone that knows nothing about boxing and I would be wasting my time talking about.

I agree 100% with Kid Achilles and Ali/Marciano. I honestly believe that a Great fighter would be a Great fighter in any era. Greb and Dempsey would more then hold their own with the best of them.

[brownpimp88]

Boxing has gotten worse from the fifties actually, after that the boxing venues started dying out and gyms closed. Up until then, you could find many gyms in each city.

Fact of the matter is for you to state that Hagler was better than Greb in such a matter of fact way, without ever even seeing footage of Greb fighting, shows you really have no credibility.

Give me a break the 70's and 80's had much better fighters than the 20s and 30's, i'm done wasting my time arguing with idiots. Hagler beat better oponents as middleweight champ, who did greb beat other than tunney that will actually be remembered? Real fans know hagler was better, thats why monzon and corro both ducked him, which is common knowledge. Hagler was the #1 ranked middleweight for years before he even got a title shot.

Veneus started dying out cuz tv was created smart guy, read frazier's book he talks all about the history of the sport.

[hhascup]

who did greb beat other than tunney that will actually be remembered?

I guess you never heard of fighters like Joe Borrell, Jack Blackburn, Al McCoy, George Chip, Jack Dillon, Battling Levinsky, Jeff Smith, Mike McTigue, Gunboat Smith, Billy Miske, Bill Brennan, Mike Gibbons, Tommy Gibbons, Tommy Loughran, Johnny Wilson, Tiger Flowers, Jimmy Slattery, Mickey Walker and Maxie Rosenbloom. All the them were Contenders or Champions. Greb was only a middleweight and if you know anything about the sport of boxing you will know that several of these men fought for the Heavyweight Championship of the World and Greb beat all of them.

The more you write, the more people will know how much you DON'T KNOW about the sport of boxing. So if I was you, I would keep my mouth shut from on now.

[The Surgeon]

Im gonna throw my veiw in the mix here too. I beleive say for arguments sake Rid**** Bowe vs Jack Johnson, To me Its all Bowe! Duz that mean Bowe is more of a great than Johnson? Depends how u rate greatness, Do u rate it by pitching fighters off against 1 another in ur mind to see? Or do u judge it on status at the time, accomplishments ect? Also sumthing to be taken in to account is that the old timers may hav been even better with new style trainning and nutrition. Mentally pitching the old time fighters against ones from the modern era, i Normally hav the new guys winning. It must be said tho that while ive read lots about them all ive only actually seen a bunch of the older guys fights, and a ton of clips. Hav a go if u want but thats how i see it!

[hhascup]

Im gonna throw my veiw in the mix here too. I beleive say for arguments sake Rid**** Bowe vs Jack Johnson, To me Its all Bowe! Duz that mean Bowe is more of a great than Johnson? Depends how u rate greatness, Do u rate it by pitching fighters off against 1 another in ur mind to see? Or do u judge it on status at the time, accomplishments ect? Also sumthing to be taken in to account is that the old timers may hav been even better with new style trainning and nutrition. Mentally pitching the old time fighters against ones from the modern era, i Normally hav the new guys winning. It must be said tho that while ive read lots about them all ive only actually seen a bunch of the older guys fights, and a ton of clips. Hav a go if u want but thats how i see it!

Your 100% correct when you say, "old timers may have been even better with new style trainning and nutrition." That is what I have been saying for years. If Johnson was boxing today, he would be that much better and if Bowe boxed back in Johnson's day, he wouldn't be as good. Times change and so would the styles.

If you were boxing back when Greb was, you would have a lot more fights then if you were boxing today. There were a lot more boxers back then. They use to box in every somewhat large city, several times a week back then. Today, your lucky if they box once a month in a State. There was more competition back then, as most of the Great people in sports today, take up either Football or Basketball. Years ago, there was no money in either sport, boxing was where the money was.

[The Surgeon]

Your 100% correct when you say, "old timers may have been even better with new style trainning and nutrition." That is what I have been saying for years. If Johnson was boxing today, he would be that much better and if Bowe boxed back in Johnson's day, he wouldn't be as good. Times change and so would the styles.

If you were boxing back when Greb was, you would have a lot more fights then if you were boxing today. There were a lot more boxers back then. They use to box in every somewhat large city, several times a week back then. Today, your lucky if they box once a month in a State. There was more competition back then, as most of the Great people in sports today, take up either Football or Basketball. Years ago, there was no money in either sport, boxing was where the money was.

Yeah great points there bud