How Hard Was Robinson's Punch?

[ShoulderRoll]

He was most definitely known as a hard hitter.

Was he known as a harder hitter than Benn?

[Kigali]

How do you know that?

Don't get me wrong, he was certainly a puncher at the weight but your statement is invalid unless proven via biomechanics and other such methods.

I will say that I think only Hagler, GGG and McClellan were harder punchers at the weight. Maybe Jackson. Actually, Eubank needs to get a serious shout in there. Before the Warson trauma he was probably the most dangerous mw out there.

GGift does not belong in any ATG discussions.

[TBear]

u guys dont understand

I don't know, everyone keeps telling me I am very understanding.

[The Old LefHook]

A lot of confused individuals around here, led, of course, by our favorite jolly flag-bearer Alex kid.

One sincere mess wonders if Robinson was known as a particularly hard puncher. Son, when you have more one-punch KO's than can be counted on both hands, yes, that is a particularly hard puncher.

As for Hagler, he was not a particularly hard puncher, just a good, brutalizing, punishing puncher. I doubt if he had a single one-punch KO in his career.

If there have been a few individuals in the middleweight division who could exceed Robinson on a force meter, none of them could begin to compare with his overall punching prowess for effectiveness and variety. He is arguably the greatest combination puncher in the history of the sport. I should say I believe he is the leading contender in this category (combination punching).

Someone, of course, is mightily confused if he thinks Eubank is even a contender in the Punch Force category. He thinks I need bio-mechanical proof of my conjectures. If I had access to a reliable bio-mechanical proof, why would I ask the opinions of people who have to guess?

I imagine even as a middleweight Hearns would be a contender. Benn and McClellan probably are, too. Graziano could punch like a mule. Ketchel we know only by reputation. Whenever he weighed 160 lbs., we can feel assured that Langford had a big punch, but there is no direct evidence to assist us with his placement on a list. Let us not forget non champ Rubin Hurricane Carter for pure punching force, though his overall effectiveness was low, especially against moving boxers where he became helpless. Today he would have found an available championship, if he could stay out of trouble.

I already feel confident Robby is the best overall puncher in the history of both Welterweight and Middleweight divisions. Leonard was an incredibly effective puncher, as well, but in terms of force he is significantly behind Robinson, which is why SRL would make top 5 in the category but not #1. But when looking at Robinson's punch just in terms of pure force, my guess still has to place him somewhere in the top five of the division for this category All Time.

The incredible thing is that Robinson would probably land in the top five in many valid categories. He would be in the top 5 for Speed, for instance, although there is no doubt in my mind that Roy Jones was a bit faster. He might be in the top five for Chin as well. Also put him in there for Stamina and Endurance. Also put him there for Footwork, Punch Variety, Will and Lefjab.

I do not personally believe Robby had one of the best jabs in history, but it might indeed be one of the five best the middleweight division ever saw anyway. Just how many middleweights had a better, more consistent jab than Robby? See what I mean?

Anyway, this thread is about Punch Force. I contend that along with all his other superiorities, Robinson's was a punch whose Force rates in the top 5 of the divison for all time. This is what I am getting at--not that he had the hardest punch or was even #2. I feel I can confidently place him in the top 5 middleweights and welterweights for Punch Force, however.

As far as I know, Robinson is #2 on the list for all time KO's behind Archie Moore. I might be corrected on this. I am sure he is at least top 5 here also though.

[joeandthebums]

Prior to Robinson-Fullmer I, both training camps had a visit from an oscilloscope which was originally designed to test the velocity of military missiles.

Robinson's right cross traveled at 15.2 miles an hour with 1,500 pounds behind it.

Fullmer's right cross traveled at 30.4 miles an hour with 1,260 pounds behind it.

Robinson threw the right with his left behind his back as he was unable to stop feinting with it before throwing the right, which was captured by the device's beam and invalidated the test.

[soul_survivor]

Was he known as a harder hitter than Benn?

I dunno, that would be up for debate I guess. Should have both Benn and Eubank on the list tbf, if Barkley can get on it.

[ShoulderRoll]

Prior to Robinson-Fullmer I, both training camps had a visit from an oscilloscope which was originally designed to test the velocity of military missiles.

Robinson's right cross traveled at 15.2 miles an hour with 1,500 pounds behind it.

Fullmer's right cross traveled at 30.4 miles an hour with 1,260 pounds behind it.

Robinson threw the right with his left behind his back as he was unable to stop feinting with it before throwing the right, which was captured by the device's beam and invalidated the test.

If that's true then it's interesting how Robinson's punch was only half as fast as Fullmer's. Yet landed with more force.

Also what a neat detail about Robinson not being able to throw the right cross without first feinting with his left hand. How important must the feint have been to him if he had that movement so hard wired into his reflexes?

[IronDanHamza]

Was he known as a harder hitter than Benn?

No he wasn't.

[The Old LefHook]

Prior to Robinson-Fullmer I, both training camps had a visit from an oscilloscope which was originally designed to test the velocity of military missiles.

Robinson's right cross traveled at 15.2 miles an hour with 1,500 pounds behind it.

Fullmer's right cross traveled at 30.4 miles an hour with 1,260 pounds behind it.

Robinson threw the right with his left behind his back as he was unable to stop feinting with it before throwing the right, which was captured by the device's beam and invalidated the test.

There is something askew with your post. Robby's right would not travel at half the speed of Fullmer's and still carry more force, He was not George Foreman.

Entirely fascinating about his feint, though.

[joeandthebums]

There is something askew with your post. Robby's right would not travel at half the speed of Fullmer's and still carry more force, He was not George Foreman.

They were the readings the machine took, whether it fits in with a particular perspective or not is something else.