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  • Sugar Adam Ali
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    #21
    Originally posted by The Old LefHook
    Freitas was not a great fighter. He had no technique. All he did was employ a lot of extra movement taking advantage of his athleticism. As soon as he faced someone with good technique they mopped the floor with him and he was finished. He was a flash in the pan Brazillian idol everyone soon forgot. You are overrating him. Cassanmayor was obviously superior.

    I don't know what Tarver did besides KO a shot Jones. I don't think he deserves much recognition, an opinion with which he himself mightily disagrees.
    Originally posted by All in
    Good list except for Tarver. 2 losses to Dawson and basically shut out by Hopkins. 31-6 record
    This is a perfect example of how tarver gets underrated.

    People forget how dominant tarver was.. He beat pretty much every light heavy of his era from 96-2016 and cleaned out the division.But people only remember him for his late career losses. There was a reason why he was the favorite over hopkins.

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      #22
      Originally posted by Eff Pandas
      Everything is relative in boxing. The 2nd best guy in your division could be the 150th best guy P4P. Not much you can do about that, your healthy weight is your healthy weight.

      And I also think the move up for legacy angle with fighters is overstated nowadays when we are in the post-Leonard/ODLH/Mayweather & nearly Pacquiao era where you're seen as nearly nothing in ATGness if you didn't win titles in at least three divisions. I think titles are bs these days & Lopez was THE BEST guy in 2 divisions which is more than many of the guys who've won titles in 3, 4 or 5 divisions can say.
      Legends are born by beating big opponets, Lopez had no luck in this departament but itd fact ,Rivals make you a Legend .
      Last edited by Canelo and GGG; 11-05-2016, 05:44 PM.

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      • IronDanHamza
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        #23
        Originally posted by Canelo and GGG
        You are harsh than if they are not ,i dont see Cotto in HoF for example
        I think Cotto deserves a spot more than they do.

        Not 100% sure I'd vote for him though. Probably.

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          #24
          Originally posted by Eff Pandas
          Everything is relative in boxing. The 2nd best guy in your division could be the 150th best guy P4P. Not much you can do about that, your healthy weight is your healthy weight.

          And I also think the move up for legacy angle with fighters is overstated nowadays when we are in the post-Leonard/ODLH/Mayweather & nearly Pacquiao era where you're seen as nearly nothing in ATGness if you didn't win titles in at least three divisions. I think titles are bs these days & Lopez was THE BEST guy in 2 divisions which is more than many of the guys who've won titles in 3, 4 or 5 divisions can say.
          He should have moved up and faced better challenges.

          Lopez is a quality fighter with a poor resume.

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          • Ben Bolt
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            #25
            "Fighters who don't get the credit they deserve?"

            All these guys who are labeled ‘stepping stones’.
            They know they’re there to be beaten up, but they need the pay check.

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            • Eff Pandas
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              #26
              Originally posted by IronDanHamza
              Lopez is a quality fighter with a poor resume.
              Everyone has a poor resume in boxing if you ask the right "expert". Its one of the easiest & laziest criticisms to make of any fighter & boxing fans love taking the shot cuz NO ONE has the perfect resume without some bs fights & also rans on it cuz its an unattainable goal.

              Lopez fought virtually everyone he was supposed to fight as I recall it. I'm sure there is a name or two at 105 or 108 he missed cuz everyone misses someone. And of course he could have went to 112 & 115 & perhaps achieved more by being the best guy in those divisions too, but I don't believe great fighters need to gain weight to become greater. Longevity & consistency are different, but equally important achievements in the sport they just aren't as sexy to fans these days as moving up in 3+ divisions. But again with that I'd offhandedly guess Lopez, who was the best guy in 2 divisions, was the best guy in more divisions than 90%+ of the guys who've held belts in 3+ divisions so there is a quality over quantity issue too I'd contend just like you'd argue with opponents.

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                #27
                Originally posted by Sugar Adam Ali
                This is a perfect example of how tarver gets underrated.

                People forget how dominant tarver was.. He beat pretty much every light heavy of his era from 96-2016 and cleaned out the division.But people only remember him for his late career losses. There was a reason why he was the favorite over hopkins.
                To many losses all through his career for me. The roy jones ko will always have a special place in my heart. He was favored over Hopkins because bhop moved up 2 divisions to fight him.

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                • IronDanHamza
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                  #28
                  Originally posted by Eff Pandas
                  Everyone has a poor resume in boxing if you ask the right "expert". Its one of the easiest & laziest criticisms to make of any fighter & boxing fans love taking the shot cuz NO ONE has the perfect resume without some bs fights & also rans on it cuz its an unattainable goal.

                  Lopez fought virtually everyone he was supposed to fight as I recall it. I'm sure there is a name or two at 105 or 108 he missed cuz everyone misses someone. And of course he could have went to 112 & 115 & perhaps achieved more by being the best guy in those divisions too, but I don't believe great fighters need to gain weight to become greater. Longevity & consistency are different, but equally important achievements in the sport they just aren't as sexy to fans these days as moving up in 3+ divisions. But again with that I'd offhandedly guess Lopez, who was the best guy in 2 divisions, was the best guy in more divisions than 90%+ of the guys who've held belts in 3+ divisions so there is a quality over quantity issue too I'd contend just like you'd argue with opponents.
                  Hmm, nah not really. Not the case at all.

                  Loads of fighters have really good resumes and beat loads of quality fighters that are impossible to argue aren't good.

                  Lopez resume is poor. That's not even arguable. There were challenges for him to take that would change that but he didn't take them.

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                    #29
                    Originally posted by IronDanHamza
                    There were challenges for him to take that would change that but he didn't take them.
                    Which "challenges" did Lopez pass up?

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                      #30
                      Originally posted by Eff Pandas
                      Which "challenges" did Lopez pass up?
                      Do I really have to answer this question?

                      Carbajal, Gonzalez, Too Sharp Johnson, Arbachacov, Arce etc.

                      Every one knows he should have moved up way before he did.

                      Instead we are left with a fighter with what is simply a poor resume.

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