What if Ali was never exiled?

[Zaroku]

True about Frazier losing to Foreman ,the second Ali fight was for the NABF title ,regardless wouldnt change my view of that fight. As a matter of fact Frazier after losing to Foreman then imop actually out doing Ali in the rematch only supports that Frazier would defeat Ali the majority of the time ,had Ali fought Frazier in the late 60's he would not have the mystique of invincibility though not sure why he had based on his competition . One can easily say once Ali fought better competition he lost . You cant take away what Ali accomplished in the 60's but in my book there was truly no dominant fighter that dominated as champion in the 70's except Holmes even for just two years no one beat him.

Unintended consequences:

Possible causes of unintended consequences include the world's inherent complexity (parts of a system responding to changes in the environment), perverse incentives, human ******ity, self-deception, failure to account for human nature, or other cognitive or emotional biases. As a sub-component of complexity (in the scientific sense), the chaotic nature of the universe—and especially its quality of having small, apparently insignificant changes with far-reaching effects (e.g., the butterfly effect)—applies.

You cannot change one thing, or isolate inputs to a very comple situation.

Even the simplest things like boxing, 2 men, one ref, same rules for both warriors has so many subtle variables that it's complexity increases rapidly, making what if questions topically interesting, but fundamentally meaningless.

I was supposed to go to Sendai the week the big earthquake hit japan.
My evil boss in London told me to delay a week. I was pissed. Big earthquake hits, followed by Tsunami. I dodged a bullet. My anger turned to appreciation.

[juggernaut666]

Unintended consequences:

Possible causes of unintended consequences include the world's inherent complexity (parts of a system responding to changes in the environment), perverse incentives, human ******ity, self-deception, failure to account for human nature, or other cognitive or emotional biases. As a sub-component of complexity (in the scientific sense), the chaotic nature of the universe—and especially its quality of having small, apparently insignificant changes with far-reaching effects (e.g., the butterfly effect)—applies.

You cannot change one thing, or isolate inputs to a very comple situation.

Even the simplest things like boxing, 2 men, one ref, same rules for both warriors has so many subtle variables that it's complexity increases rapidly, making what if questions topically interesting, but fundamentally meaningless.

I was supposed to go to Sendai the week the big earthquake hit japan.
My evil boss in London told me to delay a week. I was pissed. Big earthquake hits, followed by Tsunami. I dodged a bullet. My anger turned to appreciation.

You werent going to sendai to box it .....were you? You're making off beat comparisons ,as stated boxing has LIMITED variable that allow easy hypothesis to be made . We are not talking about escaping death or time traveling and killing Hitler to alter an entire planet.


We have video evidence ,thats what we USE to make the simple most accurate out come along with data / reference of statistics of any kind on just TWO boxers ....nothing hard at all in finding the most likely outcome of a different possibility.

[Zaroku]

You werent going to sendai to box it .....were you? You're making off beat comparisons ,as stated boxing has LIMITED variable that allow easy hypothesis to be made . We are not talking about escaping death or time traveling and killing Hitler to alter an entire planet.


We have video evidence ,thats what we USE to make the simple most accurate out conme along eith data / / reference of statistics of any kind on just TWO boxers ....nothing hard at all in finding the most likely outcome of a different possibility.

Law of unintended consequences. Nothing is simple and linear in your simple model.

Ali, couldn't predict he would be drafted. Is that one of the inputs your theoretical model incorporates?

Gimme a list of these simple inputs. The world is dying yo know how you can make guesses.

Would love to see you invalidate the butterfly effect, (not the movie). Here on boxingscene.

Gimme your mathematical algorithm.

Wall Street needs guys like you badly!

What kind of feedback loops will your algorithm have?

Fascited to know.

[juggernaut666]

Law of unintended consequences. Nothing is simple and linear in your simple model.

Ali, couldn't predict he would be drafted. Is that one of the inputs your theoretical model incorporates?

Gimme a list of these simple inputs. The world is dying yo know how you can make guesses.

Would love to see you invalidate the butterfly effect, (not the movie). Here on boxingscene.

Gimme your mathematical algorithm.

Wall Street needs guys like you badly!

What kind of feedback loops will your algorithm have?

Fascited to know.

The draft doesnt effect inputting Alis skills !

Ali would predict a draft bc it was happening !

Im not comparing the world ,im comparing skill sets when matched! Which is possibility with VIDEO footage!

I dont have to invalidate any effect its meaningless to the discussion !

[Zaroku]

The draft doesnt effect inputting Alis skills !

Ali would predict a draft bc it was happening !

Im not comparing the world ,im comparing skill sets when matched! Which is possibility with VIDEO footage!

I dont have to invalidate any effect its meaningless to the discussion !

Other guys got draft deferments. Ali didn't, I wonder why? Nothing happens in isolation.

Please re read the title of this thread!

How old are you?

Can you explain your mathematical model? Are you a mathematician or statistician? What is the probality of rolling a 4, with one die(dice)only, 4 times in a row?

Very curious as to your answer.
I am assuming you are looking it up online.

Nothing is simple. How old are you?

[Ray Corso]

Ali would have dominated during the three year banning! Hell he dominated on his return too going 25-2 from 1970--77. (27 bouts in 7 years)
Ali never fought a pro boxer with a loosing record either!

Ray

[Zaroku]

The draft doesnt effect inputting Alis skills !

Ali would predict a draft bc it was happening !

Im not comparing the world ,im comparing skill sets when matched! Which is possibility with VIDEO footage!

I dont have to invalidate any effect its meaningless to the discussion !

I will assume our discussion is over. Great sharing ideas.

Btw? You need to join a think tank and teach those fools that your simplistic, non deterministic, analysis can isolate any problem into simple constant inputs.

[Zaroku]

Ali would have dominated during the three year banning! Hell he dominated on his return too going 25-2 from 1970--77. (27 bouts in 7 years)
Ali never fought a pro boxer with a loosing record either!

Ray

But, we will never know for sure Ray.

[Ray Corso]

I recall a dream about this topic about 20 years ago so it must be true!!!!

......you can listen to juggyjerk and agree with his "veteran analysis" based on NOTHING but his opinion which is based on NOTHING!

[muslimer12]

True about Frazier losing to Foreman ,the second Ali fight was for the NABF title ,regardless wouldnt change my view of that fight. As a matter of fact Frazier after losing to Foreman then imop actually out doing Ali in the rematch only supports that Frazier would defeat Ali the majority of the time ,had Ali fought Frazier in the late 60's he would not have the mystique of invincibility though not sure why he had based on his competition . One can easily say once Ali fought better competition he lost . You cant take away what Ali accomplished in the 60's but in my book there was truly no dominant fighter that dominated as champion in the 70's except Holmes even for just two years no one beat him.

Ali dominated the division 74-till loss to spinks. If you think Frazier beat Ali in the second fight, then there is no helping you.