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**Ray Corso** · 04-23-2016, 10:31 AM

same ol' same ol'............sign them up, rack them up, use them up.....

**The Iron Man** · 04-23-2016, 10:47 AM

Read up on Tex Rickard!

**Anthony342** · 04-23-2016, 03:18 PM

So is it just par for the course to have to be a total scumbag for someone to be a successful promoter?

I know people like Kathy Duva, but is there anyone else fans and fighters like as promoters? De La Hoya maybe, I don't know, any other names?

**ShoulderRoll** · 04-23-2016, 04:14 PM

Originally posted by Anthony342

I know people like Kathy Duva...

They do?

One of the more ridiculous lines of promoter bullspit recently was her explanation that she withdrew from a purse bid because of fluctuating exchange rates in Russia and Canada.

For the most part they are all the same and I'm not certain that they are even needed for many of the big fights. Their pay should be tied directly to how much extra money they can prove they bring to the event....but it has to be measurable some how.

**Ray Corso** · 04-23-2016, 04:30 PM

Rates are a factor from country to country! I remember working on deals for Milan Italy shows and making sure that multiple checks would be cut and nothing in my name! (I was not a manager or listed trainer) just a hired cornerman, an expensive one!
At that time I think every 1,500. was taxable so checks cut were all 1,450.
this is a small example of knowing "ins & outs" but you better know them when millions are involved.
The fans on this forum have no clue what goes on with shows, contracts, overheads and responsibilities. In the ring your monitored, outside is where it gets dirty!
Ray

**soul_survivor** · 04-24-2016, 09:38 AM

They've all been scumbags and have largely left their fighters broke while they, the promoters, have driven off with millions.

**Humean** · 04-24-2016, 05:43 PM

Originally posted by Eff Pandas

I've been looking for info about how the back in the day promoters use to do business in boxing. Or when they started doing business like they do today with the long term contracts, the extensions for getting "the big fight" & various other realities & tactics that are going on these days. Not finding a lot of info in any one sport so figured I'd ask here.

Anyone got any stories or knowledge about how things worked in the time when Don King & Bob Arum (the guys I feel like changed the promotional game & tactics of the industry to what they are today, but don't know if thats entirely true or not) were becoming the guys we know today or the guys pre-King & Arum & how they were doing business?

You can read about the way Don King did business in the countless number of lawsuits that he has lost over the years. Read Jack Newfields book on Don King, there is a documentary based upon the book too. Arum isn't a crook in the way that King is, very few people are, but like most promoters Arum skirts the line of what is legal and ethical.

The biggest problems of old, in the first half and more of the twentieth century, was fighters being carved up many different ways, often with 'official' managers fronting for promoters (and therefore having a conflict of interest that was a recipe for screwing over fighters) and gangsters. Plenty of fighters saw very little of the fruits of their labour. The movies The Harder They Fall (1956) and Body and Soul (1947) are good places to start to see the climate of the time plus read about how Don Jordan was treated by Blinky Palermo and Frankie Carbo.

Originally posted by Ray Corso

Rates are a factor from country to country! I remember working on deals for Milan Italy shows and making sure that multiple checks would be cut and nothing in my name! (I was not a manager or listed trainer) just a hired cornerman, an expensive one!
At that time I think every 1,500. was taxable so checks cut were all 1,450.
this is a small example of knowing "ins & outs" but you better know them when millions are involved.
The fans on this forum have no clue what goes on with shows, contracts, overheads and responsibilities. In the ring your monitored, outside is where it gets dirty!
Ray

This is correct, the people who questioned Kathy Duva's claims about the exchange rate are utterly clueless about how important that is especially with the way the Russian Ruble has been in the past few years.

Originally posted by soul_survivor

They've all been scumbags and have largely left their fighters broke while they, the promoters, have driven off with millions.

I'm sure there are plenty of managers, trainers and cutmen who can tell stories about being ripped off by fighters too.

**ShoulderRoll** · 04-24-2016, 07:37 PM

Originally posted by Humean

This is correct, the people who questioned Kathy Duva's claims about the exchange rate are utterly clueless about how important that is especially with the way the Russian Ruble has been in the past few years.

Funny how the Ruble wasn't a consideration when she petitioned the WBC to make her fighter the mandatory contender. It only became a problem once the WBC inconveniently called for the purse bid that comes with that position.

Let's not be disingenuous.

**Humean** · 04-24-2016, 07:55 PM

Originally posted by ShoulderRoll

Funny how the Ruble wasn't a consideration when she petitioned the WBC to make her fighter the mandatory contender. It only became a problem once the WBC inconveniently called for the purse bid that comes with that position.

Let's not be disingenuous.

Well she did petition for the purse bid, so what exactly is your point? I presume you have one.

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