Jack Dempsey vs Lennox Lewis

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Firpo was indeed very big and strong. But because he "only" measured 6' 2½" in height I could see some of the size queens on here blowing him off as not being equivalent to a "modern super heavyweight."

That's why I brought up Willard and Carl Morris as well since they are comparable to Lennox Lewis in terms of height.

And height means nothing when it has nothing to do with movement and skill so dumb comment why not compare anybody when it is none that jack fought

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All the crazy idiots who trolled saying a outdated lhw would hit lennox is a joke lennox hits him a a couple shots and its over

[them_apples]

Lewis was a big guy who could box and punch when he had to. He had an effective jab a monster right hand and the fundamentals down to a tee, but his biggest weakness was his chin - which if hit correctly would be like a power button - just switch him off.

Dempsey was a shorter guy who was an animal on the inside, he was quick, strong and very tough. His obvious weakness would be he can be out-boxed but only by someone with fast feet (and when past prime), that is what Tunney used to beat him, Lewis who never had to use great footwork because of his size, wouldn't be able to keep the primeval force of Dempsey away from him.

I think Lewis uses the jab early to keep Dempsey away but Jack has a fire inside of him, he wades inside, moving his head wildly and going to Lewis's body. Dempsey risks coming in quickly because Lewis was good at timing and could catch him with a right which could spell trouble for Jack. After 12 hard rounds the bigger man Lennox Lewis, who has been forced to fight a furious pace by Dempsey is beginning to tire - which is a downfall for all big men. By round 13 Dempsey, who is behind on all scorecards (due to being outboxed and tagged trying to rush inside) ups the pressure looking for a knockout. In round 14 he gets it, a crisp left hook on a tired Lennox Lewis. In a 12 round fight Lennox would have won a unanimous decision.

KO14 Jack Dempsey

it would be an interesting fight because Dempsey is using an oldschool bob and weave / roll style design to help him get inside on taller fighters. He’s also doing the classic light light light Hard rythm where most of his punches are bait shots to set up one big one. Lennox is using amateur style punches where every shot is thrown at the same power - which has benefits too but also cons as its not the most intelligent way if fighting even if he looks or acts like a savant.

lewis has a good right cross though and a good uppercut, and more skills for a bigger man.

it would be a pretty tough fight for Jack but theres always a chance, esp in 15 rounds that he catches Lewis and knocks him out. Holyfield seemed to be able to land a left hook on Lewis and also defended himself well by staying in close to Lewis and not boxing on the outside.

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it would be an interesting fight because Dempsey is using an oldschool bob and weave / roll style design to help him get inside on taller fighters. He’s also doing the classic light light light Hard rythm where most of his punches are bait shots to set up one big one. Lennox is using amateur style punches where every shot is thrown at the same power - which has benefits too but also cons as its not the most intelligent way if fighting even if he looks or acts like a savant.

lewis has a good right cross though and a good uppercut, and more skills for a bigger man.

it would be a pretty tough fight for Jack but theres always a chance, esp in 15 rounds that he catches Lewis and knocks him out. Holyfield seemed to be able to land a left hook on Lewis and also defended himself well by staying in close to Lewis and not boxing on the outside.

If he catches yea right a lhw who was that wild try watching lennox you crazy idiot 1st round ko by lennox by pick off long range shots you idiot
jack never fought anybody who moved as good as people lennox fought so what makes you say he would even land on lennox

Willard was the best match jack looks horrible there jack had to hit him lots of time even when he was getting up just to drop him which shows that he was like I said a lhw vs a hw but you said he can not only hit but beat lennox

Put lennox in with will and see how lennox destroys him in 3 or 4 clean shots on the jaw you idiot which shows his tech was way better then jack you dummy


and why did you bring up holy who was way better skilled and moved way better then jack and who was a real hw you idiot

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If he catches yea right a lhw who was that wild try watching lennox you crazy idiot 1st round ko by lennox by pick off long range shots you idiot
jack never fought anybody who moved as good as people lennox fought so what makes you say he would even land on lennox

Willard was the best match jack looks horrible there jack had to hit him lots of time even when he was getting up just to drop him which shows that he was like I said a lhw vs a hw but you said he can not only hit but beat lennox

Put lennox in with will and see how lennox destroys him in 3 or 4 clean shots on the jaw you idiot which shows his tech was way better then jack you dummy


and why did you bring up holy who was way better skilled and moved way better then jack and who was a real hw you idiot

You blind crazy idiot - this thread is complete nonsense - anyone who knows anything about Dempsey knows he didn't fight colored boys; didn't cross the color line.

Unlike the un-fantasy fantasy fights that posters like to fantasize about this fantasy fight is a fantasy that will never happen.

Boy what a waste of a thread.

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You blind crazy idiot - this thread is complete nonsense - anyone who knows anything about Dempsey knows he didn't fight colored boys; didn't cross the color line.

Unlike the un-fantasy fantasy fights that posters like to fantasize about this fantasy fight is a fantasy that will never happen.

Boy what a waste of a thread.

Facts this match would be a joke by ko by lennox like I said

[them_apples]

If he catches yea right a lhw who was that wild try watching lennox you crazy idiot 1st round ko by lennox by pick off long range shots you idiot
jack never fought anybody who moved as good as people lennox fought so what makes you say he would even land on lennox

Willard was the best match jack looks horrible there jack had to hit him lots of time even when he was getting up just to drop him which shows that he was like I said a lhw vs a hw but you said he can not only hit but beat lennox

Put lennox in with will and see how lennox destroys him in 3 or 4 clean shots on the jaw you idiot which shows his tech was way better then jack you dummy


and why did you bring up holy who was way better skilled and moved way better then jack and who was a real hw you idiot

well at the end if the day, he’s got a punchers chance because Rahman and Mcall koed Lewis, and we have evidence of Dempsey Koing men as big as Lewis. So even in crazyidiotworld Dempsey has a chance.

as for being 190 lbs? It depends on what the beefs cut from. The only guarantee for him being lighter is he would be pushed around easier. Outside of that though, I suspect the old fighters body and routine offered more useable strength and stamina as well as recuperation.

I have a buddy of mine I sparred with for over a decade. In his fighting days he walked around at 142 lbs and fought at 135. Now, in school doing a comp science degree he sits at about 195 lbs. we still spar. Outside of being able to push him around, everything has regressed from the extra weight. Power speed reflexes and punch resistance if anything has decreased by his inability to stay away from quicker shots by using his legs. A fat body may provide resistance to body shots, however also provides a bigger target that you cant cover. Weight isn’t everything. I think real weight is different though

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well at the end if the day, he’s got a punchers chance because Rahman and Mcall koed Lewis, and we have evidence of Dempsey Koing men as big as Lewis. So even in crazyidiotworld Dempsey has a chance.

as for being 190 lbs? It depends on what the beefs cut from. The only guarantee for him being lighter is he would be pushed around easier. Outside of that though, I suspect the old fighters body and routine offered more useable strength and stamina as well as recuperation.

I have a buddy of mine I sparred with for over a decade. In his fighting days he walked around at 142 lbs and fought at 135. Now, in school doing a comp science degree he sits at about 195 lbs. we still spar. Outside of being able to push him around, everything has regressed from the extra weight. Power speed reflexes and punch resistance if anything has decreased by his inability to stay away from quicker shots by using his legs. A fat body may provide resistance to body shots, however also provides a bigger target that you cant cover. Weight isn’t everything. I think real weight is different though

Wrong quote to use as you seem to forget ****** quotes dont work with me never have he doesn't have a chance cause that quote of rah and McGill moved way better then jack you idiot so no jack has no chance at all he would be destroyed and fast

And that other quote/lie of big men means nothing since it is no men jack fought who moved even as good as a rah or mc who you named all the heavy dudes jack beat were trash compared they was trash skilled and moved like it you liar who likes to use ****** quotes that don't work with me

Like why say that ****** quote of who jack beat who was big when they were trash all of them compared to lennox era

Most impressive fight jack had with a big man was with will that dude looked horrible
jack had to hit him mutiple times just to stop him and he still got up after but you say he not only can land on Lewis the best outboxer/hardest hitting outboxer hw of all time but ko him your ******

I dont think lennox would take the fight cause he would know how fast and brutality he would ko him jacks manager wouldn't let him get in the ring with a rah let alone lennox your more ****** if you think they would even sign off on it these dudes would destroy basic jack

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well at the end if the day, he’s got a punchers chance because Rahman and Mcall koed Lewis, and we have evidence of Dempsey Koing men as big as Lewis. So even in crazyidiotworld Dempsey has a chance.

as for being 190 lbs? It depends on what the beefs cut from. The only guarantee for him being lighter is he would be pushed around easier. Outside of that though, I suspect the old fighters body and routine offered more useable strength and stamina as well as recuperation.

I have a buddy of mine I sparred with for over a decade. In his fighting days he walked around at 142 lbs and fought at 135. Now, in school doing a comp science degree he sits at about 195 lbs. we still spar. Outside of being able to push him around, everything has regressed from the extra weight. Power speed reflexes and punch resistance if anything has decreased by his inability to stay away from quicker shots by using his legs. A fat body may provide resistance to body shots, however also provides a bigger target that you cant cover. Weight isn’t everything. I think real weight is different though

Acey vs lennox was as slow as him might have been slower thats how similar they were
defense was bad just the same
threw wide punches similar to son
and lennox wasnt as strong as his older self but he still destroyed that man
he was missing shots bad and lennox picked him off easy

Acey just like Liston looks like a amateur compared to lennox

Imagine the hw ver of lennox facing acey when lennox hit way harder and was way better with his tech he would had destroyed ace way faster

See how this works that man fought like the style of liston who was destroyed that only was like 25 year difference and it was a outdated style vs a new era style with a young lennox in the late 80s

Your talking about a fighter from 20s vs the best ver of lennox 00s talking about he has a chance your crazy like I told you lennox destroys him and fast even the lennox that wasnt prepared with rah or mc

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Lewis would fight at long range and tie up Jack on the inside. If Firpo can knock him out of the ring, Lewis would put him 3 rows back. I'm not saying Dempsey is not great. Great fighter. There's a big difference between Willard and Lewis. Lewis inside four.