How much does that 50lbs of muscle matter between HW of the 80s and now?

[Mr.MojoRisin']

At heavyweight conditioning beats weight advantage. A guy who is 6'2 at 215 with excellent stamina will beat a 6'6" 240 lb guy who is gassed by the 5th round. The reason guys today are so big is because of laziness. You don't run 5+ miles every day, train 5 days per week and eat right and come into the ring looking fat as hell.

Reason it has become the norm is because a few guys popped up on the scene in the 80s and weren't in the best of shape so the other guys figured they should "bulk up" too. Now the heavyweight division has become amateur sumo wrestling.

[juggernaut666]

Are there any other sources for these quotes? Like a video or book?

Boxing Insider doesn't provide an author nor sources for the quotes other than claiming they said it. Not reliable.

Im not to concerned about it ....... im pretty sure im the smartest guy on the entire forum when discussion of HW's are involved . The problem this section has is it lacks common sense usually blinded with either bias or out right obliviousness ,your comment the one asking me to show proof and im unreliable shows that up top as the other post . No offence but you have no clue what you are talking about and the above statement about some 80's guys showing up fat /out of shape for everyone to follow sounds something out of the twilight zone .....

You are truly off your rocker if you think boxing has regressed .....

" Dempsey vs Firpo the most AMAZING round in HW history " or so was called at the time of that rnd one with NO technical aspects or strategy ,sloppy off balance pushing with holding and hitting and Dempsey even getting punched out of the ring by a guy who looked like he just stumbled out of a bar ....only in this section will you find ppl that praise this standard of skills bc in any other section it wouldn't fly bc they would actually compare other past time eras and laugh off the differences in skills that each eras improved on.........

[Mr.MojoRisin']

Im not to concerned about it ....... im pretty sure im the smartest guy on the entire forum when discussion of HW's are involved . The problem this section has is it lacks common sense usually blinded with either bias or out right obliviousness ,your comment the one asking me to show proof and im unreliable shows that up top as the other post . No offence but you have no clue what you are talking about and the above statement about some 80's guys showing up fat /out of shape for everyone to follow sounds something out of the twilight zone .....

You are truly off your rocker if you think boxing has regressed .....

" Dempsey vs Firpo the most AMAZING round in HW history " or so was called at the time of that rnd one with NO technical aspects or strategy ,sloppy off balance pushing with holding and hitting and Dempsey even getting punched out of the ring by a guy who looked like he just stumbled out of a bar ....only in this section will you find ppl that praise this standard of skills bc in any other section it wouldn't fly bc they would actually compare other past time eras and laugh off the differences in skills that each eras improved on.........

During the late 80s specifically we saw an increase in weight closer if not at the weights we see today. Most heavies weight 220s-230s. Do you even watch boxing? Guys didn't start weighing in heavier because they were naturally bigger than the guys in the 1970s who were the same height. Don't know how you missed that...probably because ydksab.

I asked for a source because claims like that are very important. Boxing Insider didn't provide any external sources nor an author for those claims. Btw I wasn't calling you unreliable I was calling Boxing Insider unreliable. But now since you want to write a few paragraphs in order to dodge the question (or outright refuse to answer) you are unreliable.

[Mr.MojoRisin']

Juggy, you honestly think that these guys:

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http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/A...VM46enu4Rx.jpg

http://www.aworldofboxing.com/Boxers...rreola_002.jpg

are in better condition these guys were:

https://miketysonlive.com/wp-content...oxing-copy.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images...x_400x400.jpeg

http://theaporetic.com/wp-content/up...11/frazier.jpg

[juggernaut666]

During the late 80s specifically we saw an increase in weight closer if not at the weights we see today. Most heavies weight 220s-230s. Do you even watch boxing? Guys didn't start weighing in heavier because they were naturally bigger than the guys in the 1970s who were the same height. Don't know how you missed that...probably because ydksab.

I asked for a source because claims like that are very important. Boxing Insider didn't provide any external sources nor an author for those claims. Btw I wasn't calling you unreliable I was calling Boxing Insider unreliable. But now since you want to write a few paragraphs in order to dodge the question (or outright refuse to answer) you are unreliable.

That is false and you would know that if you studied the 80's where guys of 240 were uncommon and those who were are rarely over 6'3 ....weight and height coincide ,if you think any top 10 guy today is out of shape please name one? There were hardly any 190's/200 pounders because guys in the 80's got bigger and yes it was bc they were naturaly bigger where guys like Shavers / Norton size was the norm and the big guys like Cooney / Smith / Tubbs Bruno Ruddock Tucker Douglas etc ..guys 225 plus were the exception ..The best fat guy of the 80's was 6'3 240/250 light punching Tubbs who was also the fastest and in shape guy,he knocked Ali down in sparring before turning pro and took Bowe the distance even schooling him at moments so have fun with posting pics of guys who are actually in shape when they fight ....again you havent a clue .

The average current weight today is roughly 240 not 225 like the 80's and that has to do with 6'4 plus guys who are not skinny and are built or thick ...the question is do you ever know what you are talking about ?

[Mr.MojoRisin']

That is false and you would know that if you studied the 80's where guys of 240 were uncommon and those who were are rarely over 6'3 ....weight and height coincide ,if you think any top 10 guy today is out of shape please name one? There were hardly any 190's/200 pounders because guys in the 80's got bigger and yes it was bc they were naturaly bigger where guys like Shavers / Norton size was the norm and the big guys like Cooney / Smith / Tubbs Bruno Ruddock Tucker Douglas etc ..guys 225 plus were the exception ..The best fat guy of the 80's was 6'3 240/250 light punching Tubbs who was also the fastest and in shape guy,he knocked Ali down in sparring before turning pro and took Bowe the distance even schooling him at moments so have fun with posting pics of guys who are actually in shape when they fight ....again you havent a clue .

The average current weight today is roughly 240 not 225 like the 80's and that has to do with 6'4 plus guys who are not skinny and are built or thick ...the question is do you ever know what you are talking about ?

I didn't say that the guys of the 80s were 240. I specifically stated most were in the 220-230 range. Tons of guys are out of shape today. Look at Arreola, he has had 3 or 4 title shots in the last 7 years. Did you forget who the current champ is???? The fattest champ I've ever seen. Povetkin who has been one of the top heavies for a while is incredibly unconditioned. Just watch the Huck fight. Povetkin was out of gas by the 6th against a CRUISERWEIGHT!! Povetkin went toe to toe against Huck who had been dropped a couple of times at cruiser and couldn't even finish the job. Some say he didn't win that fight too!

Tony Tubbs was hardly ever in shape. He was notorious for coming in out of shape. He barely got down to 238 for the Tyson fight and was fat as hell. Go watch an actual fight...

In the 70s fighters had better stamina, better skills, better speed, better power. The only thing that has changed is the weight. There has been no improvements in skill, speed, or power. Shavers was only 6 foot at 200-210 lbs and hit harder than anyone around today.

[juggernaut666]

I didn't say that the guys of the 80s were 240. I specifically stated most were in the 220-230 range. Tons of guys are out of shape today. Look at Arreola, he has had 3 or 4 title shots in the last 7 years. Did you forget who the current champ is???? The fattest champ I've ever seen. Povetkin who has been one of the top heavies for a while is incredibly unconditioned. Just watch the Huck fight. Povetkin was out of gas by the 6th against a CRUISERWEIGHT!! Povetkin went toe to toe against Huck who had been dropped a couple of times at cruiser and couldn't even finish the job. Some say he didn't win that fight too!

Tony Tubbs was hardly ever in shape. He was notorious for coming in out of shape. He barely got down to 238 for the Tyson fight and was fat as hell. Go watch an actual fight...

In the 70s fighters had better stamina, better skills, better speed, better power. The only thing that has changed is the weight. There has been no improvements in skill, speed, or power. Shavers was only 6 foot at 200-210 lbs and hit harder than anyone around today.

Nope , you clearly state weight in 80's is closer toay which is false bc most were under 230 and stood 6'2 which is closer to 70's looking guys...Arreola has not been relevant in 6 years the guy openly admits to not training hard for stamina ...anything else ?


Tony Tubbs who was a champion then threw a record setting punch count for 15 rounds in the 80's for 15 rnds against Witherspoon at 250 pounds ,more proof you dont actually study what you post .

The other things are that of opinion which would be false to any true boxing realistic.

I also like how you used one fight in Povetkin and use the CRUISERWEIGHT card when the guy in your avatar was 190 pounds and was knocked out of the ring by another and guys like Louis struggle for 15 rnd with 185 pounders. . Thenyou try and sell modern guys as slow overweight ones ....

[Mr.MojoRisin']

Nope , you clearly state weight in 80's is closer toay which is false bc most were under 230 and stood 6'2 which is closer to 70's looking guys...Arreola has not been relevant in 6 years the guy openly admits to not training hard for stamina ...anything else ?


Tony Tubbs who was a champion then threw a record setting punch count for 15 rounds in the 80's for 15 rnds against Witherspoon at 250 pounds ,more proof you dont actually study what you post .

The other things are that of opinion which would be false to any true boxing realistic.

I also like how you used one fight in Povetkin and use the CRUISERWEIGHT card when the guy in your avatar was 190 pounds and was knocked out of the ring by another and guys like Louis struggle for 15 rnd with 185 pounders. . Thenyou try and sell modern guys as slow overweight ones ....

Tubbs vs Witherspoon didn't set a record, juggynuts delusional as usual. Provide the source where you found this? Tubbs was 244 not 250. Proof you don't know what you are talking about.

Dempsey was knocked out of the ring by a hard hitting fighter who outweighed him by 24 lbs. A big difference from losing to a guy that was 20 lbs less. Louis knocked out guys who outweighed him by 50 lbs. So I don't know why you are bringing them up. Just to make yourself look dumb...AGAIN!

Arreola not relevent in 6 years?? He has gotten 3 title shots in the last 6 years! Again Juggy dksab.

In the 80s Smith weighed in a 240s on multiple occasions, Tony Tucker went on after the Tyson fight to weigh in at the 230s or higher for the rest of his career, again Tubbs commonly weighed in over 230 as high as 244 at times, Douglas was nearly always in the 230s and 240s, Witherspoon weighed in the 230s while he held the title.

Reply some more so I can tear apart your posts this is getting fun.

[juggernaut666]

Tubbs vs Witherspoon didn't set a record, juggynuts delusional as usual. Provide the source where you found this? Tubbs was 244 not 250. Proof you don't know what you are talking about.

Dempsey was knocked out of the ring by a hard hitting fighter who outweighed him by 24 lbs. A big difference from losing to a guy that was 20 lbs less. Louis knocked out guys who outweighed him by 50 lbs. So I don't know why you are bringing them up. Just to make yourself look dumb...AGAIN!

Arreola not relevent in 6 years?? He has gotten 3 title shots in the last 6 years! Again Juggy dksab.

In the 80s Smith weighed in a 240s on multiple occasions, Tony Tucker went on after the Tyson fight to weigh in at the 230s or higher for the rest of his career, again Tubbs commonly weighed in over 230 as high as 244 at times, Douglas was nearly always in the 230s and 240s, Witherspoon weighed in the 230s while he held the title.

Reply some more so I can tear apart your posts this is getting fun.

oh 244 my bad ...lol i dont look things up you do...lol

Tubbs threw one of the highest amounts in the witherspoon fight,show me a 240 guy who did that in the 80's ?

Smith ,Tucker, Douglas weighing over 225 or about 240 puts them in the category of over 225 doesn't it which was stated already? Witherspoon was 227 from what i remember when he beat Tubbs who cares if anything it shows he was more effective at a HEAVIER weight than around 210 lighter one .


Go in the real section and state how relevant Arreola is and see how that goes ,

The guy who knocked Dempsey out of the ring was about 5/10 pounds heavier

I can see why you only post here ,bc you really are out of touch with reality !



What exactly did you tear up ? You claimed todays guys are fat and look more like the 80's guys ? And guys are biggr today due to laziness not bc they have become naturally bigger? ALL of which is FALSE , Fury for example is 6'9 255 if thats not in shape then i dont know what is and considering he has never gassed.You dont have the brain power to tear paper next to me kid .

[Mr.MojoRisin']

oh 244 my bad ...lol i dont look things up you do...lol

Tubbs threw one of the highest amounts in the witherspoon fight,show me a 240 guy who did that in the 80's ?

Smith ,Tucker, Douglas weighing over 225 or about 240 puts them in the category of over 225 doesn't it which was stated already? Witherspoon was 227 from what i remember when he beat Tubbs who cares if anything it shows he was more effective at a HEAVIER weight than around 210 lighter one .


What exactly did you tear up ? You claimed todays guys are fat and look more like the 80's guys ? Both of which is FALSE .You dont have the brain power to tear paper next to me kid .

I never claimed they look like the 80s guys. I claimed fighters started getting out of shape starting in the late 80s and today the heavyweight division is damn near a sumo wrestling match. Nowhere did I say they look alike, I said it got worse over time. This can be linked to 12 rdrs becoming the rule instead of 15s.

So you are going to ignore what I responded about Dempsey and Louis? I guess you can't really bounce back from how ****** you made yourself look there.

Witherspoon was NOT more effective at a heavier weight. He got knocked out in the first round by Smith. Also he did not hold the title when he fought Tubbs. I don't know how you missed that since he was the CHALLENGER!

I watched the Tyson-Tubbs fight last night and they talked extensively about Tubbs weight issues pre fight. It was a pretty big deal and did NOT help his game. He was however fast for his weight. They even offered him $50,000 if he could come in at 235 or under.

Tubbs didn't throw no record against Witherspoon. Show me a reliable source that says he did.

Lol you are trying to talk **** about me looking up weights yet your sitting there looking up Witherspoons weight for the fight...hilarious

Just because someone knows how much two fighters weighed for a fight doesn't mean they know **** about boxing.

Are you going to respond to what I said about Arreola or are you going to duck that point as well because you got proved wrong yet again?

You're right about one thing Juggynutz...paper is harder to tear apart than your arguments!!!