Interesting article on the pioneers of the early 20th century

[juggernaut666]

Regarding the bolded section: Thats a valid point. I would say here that the point Juggy makes about the "hype" surrounding that which we have not seen and which has been manufactured for us...such that one is to think of the older fighters as legendary with no caveats, is problematic.

This hype also causes unapproachability (if there be such a word lol). At the end of the day there is great value to look past all hype and understand why things are done a certain way, otherwise things are accepted blindly.

Agreed you need to reread the article let me know if you saw anything different.

[Ray Corso]

Hey juggy, I didn't bring up your "family members" YOU Did!

If you know so much why not prove it?
Open your gym up and train a few state, regional & national champs!
Align yourself with a few promoters and get hired to handle their fighters
throughout the country and the world.
Why not become a state chairman and possibly be chosen to be a USA coach at the Olympic Training Center?

WHY?

Because your all talk kid, that's all you do is talk your game but you have no proof of your accomplishments do you?

My daddy
My uncle
My ko's

I can smell you from here your so full of it!

juggy......"you know what happens to snitches right? They get stiches" (stitches)
Your not threatening me are you boy?

[Anthony342]

I think nearly every discussion about "whos the best all time" or comparing athletes from different eras in a sport that goes back as far as boxing does is completely ridiculous & a child-like discussion on the level of who wins, Batman vs Superman or Jason vs Freddy.

Personally I just like knowing about fighters of different eras, what they accomplished, how they trained, how they fought, how they lived & that sort of stuff & not **** measure them vs Mike McCallum & James Toney or whoever & silly **** like that. I've honestly never understood the overwhelming desire for boxing fans to do that.

Yeah, that can only be definitively answered in The Twilight Zone, as shown in the episode A Game of Pool, where a modern pool player plays the ghost of the best pool player of all time in his prime.

And not too ridiculous, if one can accurately evaluate their skills. For instance, Superman can kill Batman with his heat vision, by dropping a building on him, punching a hole through him, among many others.

And you know Jason whipped Freddy's butt once they got to the real world and it was even. Dream world though, it was all Freddy. Plus we see Jason reappear in Jason X, which takes place 400 years in the future, but nothing from Freddy since New Nightmare and the 2010 remake, so it's safe to say Jason won. Plus, in the comic follow up, someone signs the search warrant after going back in time, making Freddy's arrest legal, avoiding his later murder and undoing that whole mythology, so Freddy loses again. He's still the coolest slasher villain IMO though.

[The Old LefHook]

The last teachable technique added to the boxing repetoire was the peekaboo defense of Cus D'matto. So much for the argument of evolved techniqes of the moderns, unless running faster around the ring counts. Floyd Mayweather & Sweat Pea Whitaker didn't know any tricks Willie Pep didn't employ eighty years ago.

Boxing is not mathematical physics, there simply is not that much to develop that fighters collectively cannot do in a generation or two. Boxing evolution does not go on forever, always getting better.

Guitar players were able to do new things because an electric guitar was invented. Boxers will not get better any more than pop musicians or pop music will get better. When you are in a medium which has about evolved itself out, that is what happens. After a while someone brings back a two step and all the newbies think he has done something unique.

[juggernaut666]

The last teachable technique added to the boxing repetoire was the peekaboo defense of Cus D'matto. So much for the argument of evolved techniqes of the moderns, unless running faster around the ring counts. Floyd Mayweather & Sweat Pea Whitaker didn't know any tricks Willie Pep didn't employ eighty years ago.

Boxing is not mathematical physics, there simply is not that much to develop that fighters collectively cannot do in a generation or two. Boxing evolution does not go on forever, always getting better.

Guitar players were able to do new things because an electric guitar was invented. Boxers will not get better any more than pop musicians or pop music will get better. When you are in a medium which has about evolved itself out, that is what happens. After a while someone brings back a two step and all the newbies think he has done something unique.

"Boxing is not mathematical physics, there simply is not that much to develop that fighters collectively cannot do in a generation or two. Boxing evolution does not go on forever, always getting better."

you are wrong its the fighters themselves who evolutionize the techniques..for reference the modern "BIG" guys are moving much more fluidty than the past ones...arts and styles are refined they don't change only to the fighter.

[juggernaut666]

Hey juggy, I didn't bring up your "family members" YOU Did!

If you know so much why not prove it?
Open your gym up and train a few state, regional & national champs!
Align yourself with a few promoters and get hired to handle their fighters
throughout the country and the world.
Why not become a state chairman and possibly be chosen to be a USA coach at the Olympic Training Center?

WHY?

Because your all talk kid, that's all you do is talk your game but you have no proof of your accomplishments do you?

My daddy
My uncle
My ko's

I can smell you from here your so full of it!

juggy......"you know what happens to snitches right? They get stiches" (stitches)
Your not threatening me are you boy?

ahem.... and you personally are a ...... though as stated MANY guys who cant think straight out of common sense on here need you ...I "DON'T" ...lmao

Once again over 2 decades of martial arts/boxing and MMa ...have a good one "OLD" fool enjoy your limited thinking with your "LIMITED" days..threatning ?...Would you like me to post your little cute messages to me?.i don't threatning..I just do!

P.S...No need to worry "OLD FOOL" you don't register on my alert list.though once again ive ACTUALLY been in the boxing ring and with even ACTUAL champs you HAVENT ,and some even outside BOXING like kick boxing champs who ASK me for advice..you CANT b/c physically you weren't good enough and certainly are to clueless to give advice outside beginner instuctions..ironically im working at this moment getting a sanctioned fight license..again something you DIDNT want b/c you stayed safe on the SIDE lines where in MY world you actually belong b/c you would be the water boy for me.......deal with it along with bringing MY family into it though I have SOMEONE around the corner from you...so just say when and we can get this straightened out REAL fast?....

[juggernaut666]

Yeah, that can only be definitively answered in The Twilight Zone, as shown in the episode A Game of Pool, where a modern pool player plays the ghost of the best pool player of all time in his prime.

And not too ridiculous, if one can accurately evaluate their skills. For instance, Superman can kill Batman with his heat vision, by dropping a building on him, punching a hole through him, among many others.

And you know Jason whipped Freddy's butt once they got to the real world and it was even. Dream world though, it was all Freddy. Plus we see Jason reappear in Jason X, which takes place 400 years in the future, but nothing from Freddy since New Nightmare and the 2010 remake, so it's safe to say Jason won. Plus, in the comic follow up, someone signs the search warrant after going back in time, making Freddy's arrest legal, avoiding his later murder and undoing that whole mythology, so Freddy loses again. He's still the coolest slasher villain IMO though.

Actually Freddy whipped Jasons ass.and Jason needed help from others to win that fight...just saying! It would be like Corso getting out of his padded cell house or old mental patient home to fight charles manson...who to me is even like a kindergarden kid on a swing...know what I mean...

[Ray Corso]

Hey azzhole is your real name juggynuts? My real name is Ray Corso.

jughead.."I have SOMEONE around the corner from you...so just say when and we can get this straightened out REAL fast?".........WHEN!...........!

Bring it ***** don't sing it!

[The Old LefHook]

Hey azzhole is your real name juggynuts? My real name is Ray Corso.

jughead.."I have SOMEONE around the corner from you...so just say when and we can get this straightened out REAL fast?".........WHEN!...........!

Bring it ***** don't sing it!

Do you know who you are talking to, Ray? Man, even the champs are asking his advice now, I should say begging for it: Just give us one tip, Juggy, just a small one, please, something to help our careers. You know secrets of fighting no one else does. Help us, Juggy.

I remind you these are not just boxing champs, but champs from every fighting school on earth.

You don't want to tangle with Juggy, Ray, he knows too much for any of us. I think no two of us could whip him in a ring, a cage or a boxing discussion.

He just taught us all something again. In order for boxing to evolve no one has to do anything new. As long as they are jumbo men they can merely do what the smaller men before them did and boxing has evolved. Isn't that cool? Boxing can evolve through people doing the same things those before them did. He is a little too smart for us all, Ray.

[juggernaut666]

Do you know who you are talking to, Ray? Man, even the champs are asking his advice now, I should say begging for it: Just give us one tip, Juggy, just a small one, please, something to help our careers. You know secrets of fighting no one else does. Help us, Juggy.

I remind you these are not just boxing champs, but champs from every fighting school on earth.

You don't want to tangle with Juggy, Ray, he knows too much for any of us. I think no two of us could whip him in a ring, a cage or a boxing discussion.

He just taught us all something again. In order for boxing to evolve no one has to do anything new. As long as they are jumbo men they can merely do what the smaller men before them did and boxing has evolved. Isn't that cool? Boxing can evolve through people doing the same things those before them did. He is a little too smart for us all, Ray.

Coming from an imbecilic poster as yourself well ....you may be smarter than ray buut than again a flat tire only goes so far .....know what I mean?