Hagler vs Duran - Was it a razor-thin decision?

[WalkerSmithJnr]

Ok I looked back and you are talking about the 11 12 and 13th I think. I thought the announcers were talking up Duran, when Hagler was doing a lot inside, but I could certainly see Duran winning two of those rounds...can't say I can see giving him all three, but hey! Someone who scores fights better is probably better informed on these points, i will watch them over again and get back to you to see what i see when I am watching them carefully.

I gave Duran 12 & 13 which together with the 3rd were the 3 rounds I thought he won.
I gave him a share of 4 & 11 and thought he was competitive in 2 and 10 but thought Hagler won those rounds.

So I made it 147-140 Hagler, I wouldn't agree but if someone gave Duran rounds 4 & 11 and a share of 2 & 10 that makes it 145-142 to Hagler so still not razor thin.

[billeau2]

I gave Duran 12 & 13 which together with the 3rd were the 3 rounds I thought he won.
I gave him a share of 4 & 11 and thought he was competitive in 2 and 10 but thought Hagler won those rounds.

So I made it 147-140 Hagler, I wouldn't agree but if someone gave Duran rounds 4 & 11 and a share of 2 & 10 that makes it 145-142 to Hagler so still not razor thin.

Hagler seemed to assert himself more throughout, and to finish strong. I don't think it was razor thin either.

[billeau2]

Those three rounds were Durans biggest rounds, yet you thought Marvin won them ? ....

Bill, if fighter A throws twelve light jabs which score during a round, fighter B makes fighter A miss two right-hands towards the end of the round and lands a left-right-left, which staggers fighter A at the bell......who wins the round in your opinion?

Ok just looked at the 11th 12th and 13th...I see your point. The 11th was kind of a toss, but Duran did more, definitely in the twelfth duran did more in the thirteenth hagler started strong but in that round Duran's punches were more substantial as you said...hagler did start that round with some good work but yeah Duran took it.

So if I am giving Hagler rounds five to ten and the last two that is 7 rounds right there. Assuming Duran won 3 of the first 5 which I will play devil's advocate with...then marven gets two more, thats nine rounds to 6 for hagler. Even if we give duran but I guess if Duran won a few of those rounds maybe it is razor thin.

[sonnyboyx2]

Throughout the fight Hagler does quite a lot of posturing, shuffling of shoulders, switching-stance, switching feet. In an attempt to bamboozle Duran. However it has no effect on Duran or his game plan whatsoever. In fact it has a detrimental effect on Marvin's own performance, it hinders his approach and his attack. Marvin seems to confuse himself more, than it confuses his opponent. This same approach was used by Marvin in his fight against Sugar Ray Leonard, with disastrous effect.. It reminds me of Larry Holmes, who was a flat-footed fighter. Yet Holmes used to get up on his toes and mimic Muhammad Ali. It was a very poor imitation, which always left Holmes open to big right-hands (Tyson, Snipes etc)... What was interesting in the Duran vs Hagler bout was. The commentator said, "Cus D'Amato recently said Roberto Duran is the smartest boxing in the world"... Cus was correct. Marvin won, but very nearly threw the fight away, with his odd tactics.

[LouIE G]

Hagler boxed Marvelously in that fight.. It's one o his better performances imo and won by at least 4 rounds.

[billeau2]

Throughout the fight Hagler does quite a lot of posturing, shuffling of shoulders, switching-stance, switching feet. In an attempt to bamboozle Duran. However it has no effect on Duran or his game plan whatsoever. In fact it has a detrimental effect on Marvin's own performance, it hinders his approach and his attack. Marvin seems to confuse himself more, than it confuses his opponent. This same approach was used by Marvin in his fight against Sugar Ray Leonard, with disastrous effect.. It reminds me of Larry Holmes, who was a flat-footed fighter. Yet Holmes used to get up on his toes and mimic Muhammad Ali. It was a very poor imitation, which always left Holmes open to big right-hands (Tyson, Snipes etc)... What was interesting in the Duran vs Hagler bout was. The commentator said, "Cus D'Amato recently said Roberto Duran is the smartest boxing in the world"... Cus was correct. Marvin won, but very nearly threw the fight away, with his odd tactics.

It seems that Hagler was better fighting from the right in this fight, and BTW in the Mugabi fight, and this was recognized by almost all the commentators in both cases....like you say, he persisted in switching back and fourth. I don't get it either! Duran did catch him in the switch a few times that I saw.

That was the knock on Holmes he could not lose, that he imitated Ali, but I think he boxed well on his toes, don't see how being more mobile would make him more susceptable. Also Holmes was much more dependent on his various punches than Ali...Ali could move in such a way that he could tap you blind side and catch you because you were not expecting the blow. Ali's jab could be a lead, or blindingly fast, depending on the situation....by contrast, Holmes used the jab in an orthodox fashion.

Both Holmes and Ali had great lateral movement, two of the best at this type of head movement...no doubt Holmes learned some of this from Ali, but they developed very different approaches: Holmes had quick, tight head and shoulder movement, Ali was more deceptive, and would create false distances, false lines to his head that would befuddle opponents. Ali was much more fluid and multidimensional in his movements.

Unfortunately most fans just see an outward similarity and assume Holmes copied Ali lol....would be that anyone COULD copy Ali!!!!!

[just the facts]

Legendary Hall of Fame referee and judge Artrhur Mercante, would score a boxing fight by breaking the round down, into three seperate minutes. That way he would always have a winner of the round and no drawn rounds... I have watched Hagler vs Duran many times over the years. But thought i would watch it again last night and here is my scorecard.

1/. Duran
2/. Hagler
3/. Duran
4/. Hagler
5/. Hagler
6/. Hagler
7/. Hagler
8/. Hagler
9/. Duran
10/. Duran
11/. Duran < Hagler gave away the round>
12/. Duran
13/. Duran
14/. Hagler
15/. Hagler

Score = 144-143 Hagler (Razor-Thin) decision

Hagler vs Duran was one of the easiest fights ever to score. The rounds Hagler won, he won clearly. The rounds Duran won, he won clearly. How can so many so called boxing experts, who frequent this forum, score the fight so one-sided in Marvin Hagler's favour?..

Here is a link from Ring Magazine. Who call the fight a "RAZOR-THIN" decision.

http://******.craveonline.com/news/3...ght-at-caesars

The poll isn't going the way you thought it would. Big surprise

[The Old LefHook]

Well, folks, Sonny has hanged himself this time. When confidence is misplaced, it often misjudges how others will view. It is as if they have no real view, to the sociopath that Sonny is.

That settles it, then. Marvin won anywhere between clearly and a landslide, not by consensus, but unanimously, this right from the horse's mouth of an experienced boxing forum. Good night, ladies.

Of course it has to be taken into account that only Sonny knows anything, too.

It is hardly the first time we had to correct the judges of a big fight. They are trained and instructed that way by their masters. Too many landslides would be bad for boxing ticket sales and viewership--so lie, shade the rounds close.

It was not even a close fight. Unanimously. Good night, ladies.

[WalkerSmithJnr]

Would say Hagler v Leonard was razor thin not this fight. Don't think Hagler was that popular with judges in general, I couldn't see how that judge scored Leonard beating him by 8 rounds or whatever it was or how the judges made the first Antuofermo fight a draw.

[billeau2]

Well, folks, Sonny has hanged himself this time. When confidence is misplaced, it often misjudges how others will view. It is as if they have no real view, to the sociopath that Sonny is.

That settles it, then. Marvin won anywhere between clearly and a landslide, not by consensus, but unanimously, this right from the horse's mouth of an experienced boxing forum. Good night, ladies.

Of course it has to be taken into account that only Sonny knows anything, too.

It is hardly the first time we had to correct the judges of a big fight. They are trained and instructed that way by their masters. Too many landslides would be bad for boxing ticket sales and viewership--so lie, shade the rounds close.

It was not even a close fight. Unanimously. Good night, ladies.

When Duran got rocked his hair flew up, with Marvin...not so much. And then it came to me...Marvin had no hair! Still trying to figure out what color George Washington's White Horse was...