Wlad's Place in History Discussion

[McGoorty]

another Elroy quote I wanna answer

Your talking fighters from FIFTY years ago!! Unbelievable!

why is it unbelievable ? hell these are guys who fought in MY LIFETIME and despite your youthful exuberance and bias I know that not much has changed about boxers except the earlier you go the TOUGHER they were and boxing has a hell of a lot to do with TOUGH.

[Elroy1]

You cannot compare these guys in a match up. The eras are completely different. Using your logic, Floyd Mayweather is the greatest fighter of all times. Not a single loss against in a modern generation that is faster, stronger than the past eras?

I DO think that Mayweather is right up there among the greatest fighters of all time both in a H2H AND an achievement sense.

Basically if you take Robinson's career, knock off all the bums, it deflates to roughly Mayweather's numerical level anyway.

Similarly with Ali...

Wladimir is not allowed to face Cruisers,

And he is not allowed to face bums.

The media and the regulatory bodies and the fans today would never allow it!

What do you think would happen if WK wasted a guy like Williams who had been gunshot and was limping to the ring with an atrophied leg? This was the "showcase" fight of Ali that resembles anything like what nut bags try to sell him on.

Yet if Wlad did that to the exact same paraplegic Williams everyone would be utterly disgusted!

I agree, you CANNOT compare the eras because what was done then was great in the day but it isn't worth a single drop of piss in the desert compared to what is done today.

It was YOU who tried to sell the story that Ali first could compete in a H2H sense and now in an achievement one.

Truth is, these guys were from the "pre-professional" eras of boxing before it became serious business, before sports science was applied to it. And it looked visibly different.

The further you go back in time, the more "cruisery" the HW division was AND..

The further you go back in time the more the eras were riddled with bums!

[McGoorty]

Buster did not whop Tyson over the full-distance though. Wladimir was genuinely, horribly, outboxed by someone he did not want to fight for more than 2 years. Tyson made Wladimir look his age, not one else could do that before because they were 5 inches shorter, both in terms of height and arm length.

Floyd Mayweather was head & shoulders above his competition but still has HOF names on his resume. You can't even compare Ali's top 3 wins to Wlad's. No chance.

Well of course Ali's resume is way better than Wlad's. As for comparing Buster's win to Tyson Fury's I rate Buster's higher because of the fact he knocked Mike's butt out and not early but late in the fight therefore leaving most question boxes ticked. The recent Tyson Fury victory I did not see and judging by youtube and the fact that not even a two minute highlight video is available......... anywhere I probably never will making this akin to a Britton vs Kid Lewis fight for me. But based on your criteria, I am sorry but Fury knocking Wlad out would be far more impressive, I rarely like seeing any fight left in judges hands to decide, I have seen so many rorts and rip offs.

[McGoorty]

I DO think that Mayweather is right up there among the greatest fighters of all time both in a H2H AND an achievement sense.

Basically if you take Robinson's career, knock off all the bums, it deflates to roughly Mayweather's numerical level anyway.

Similarly with Ali...

Wladimir is not allowed to face Cruisers,

And he is not allowed to face bums.

The media and the regulatory bodies and the fans today would never allow it!

What do you think would happen if WK wasted a guy like Williams who had been gunshot and was limping to the ring with an atrophied leg? This was the "showcase" fight of Ali that resembles anything like what nut bags try to sell him on.

Yet if Wlad did that to the exact same paraplegic Williams everyone would be utterly disgusted!

I agree, you CANNOT compare the eras because what was done then was great in the day but it isn't worth a single drop of piss in the desert compared to what is done today.

It was YOU who tried to sell the story that Ali first could compete in a H2H sense and now in an achievement one.

Truth is, these guys were from the "pre-professional" eras of boxing before it became serious business, before sports science was applied to it. And it looked visibly different.

The further you go back in time, the more "cruisery" the HW division was AND..

The further you go back in time the more the eras were riddled with bums!

Complete rubbish in almost every sentence, at least in terms of consistency you never fail to disappoint. You have no clue whatsoever about the past so really you should only stick to what you know. Wlad never fought any bums or had complete mismatches ?????? hahaahahahahahahahahhahhahahahahhahahahahaha..... Is your name Billy Connelly ? are you taking the piss ?

[Elroy1]

another Elroy quote I wanna answer why is it unbelievable ? hell these are guys who fought in MY LIFETIME and despite your youthful exuberance and bias I know that not much has changed about boxers except the earlier you go the TOUGHER they were and boxing has a hell of a lot to do with TOUGH.

The good amateur fighters today would utterly destroy any pro boxer from 50 years past.

Go back another 50 years and there are guys in most pubs and on high school boxing teams that could have beaten those eras champs such as Dempsey.

PEople have gotten not only stronger and stronger but more and more violent in this sick society and will continue to do so.

There is no comparison to how vicious people are today in a fight as opposed to times past.

This extends to all other sports as well.

No athlete or sportsman from 50 years ago is anything compared to that today.

[Bozbay]

It was YOU who tried to sell the story that Ali first could compete in a H2H sense and now in an achievement one.

Surely Floyd should be all-time #1 on your list though?

When did I try to sell this story? If you look at my original reply to the thread, I did say you cannot compare these guys in a match-up. I'll repeat it, if you are comparing all of time, you have to compare achievements and how good competition was at the time. At the time, Ali's competition was much greater than the level of competition Wlad is faced with today, in perceptive of their eras. Floyd Mayweather was as dominant as it gets, an entire 19 years undefeated. But he still had HOF on his list. This is completely not Wladimir's fault, but he didn't face one HOF because there simply wasn't one. It's out of his control but let's just face, the modern heavyweights are rubbish and have been for a while. We never got to see Wladimir face a truly great, or an all time great opponent. Ever. That's bad luck but that is how it is.

[McGoorty]

I DO think that Mayweather is right up there among the greatest fighters of all time both in a H2H AND an achievement sense.

Basically if you take Robinson's career, knock off all the bums, it deflates to roughly Mayweather's numerical level anyway.

Similarly with Ali...

Wladimir is not allowed to face Cruisers,

And he is not allowed to face bums.

The media and the regulatory bodies and the fans today would never allow it!

What do you think would happen if WK wasted a guy like Williams who had been gunshot and was limping to the ring with an atrophied leg? This was the "showcase" fight of Ali that resembles anything like what nut bags try to sell him on.

Yet if Wlad did that to the exact same paraplegic Williams everyone would be utterly disgusted!

I agree, you CANNOT compare the eras because what was done then was great in the day but it isn't worth a single drop of piss in the desert compared to what is done today.

It was YOU who tried to sell the story that Ali first could compete in a H2H sense and now in an achievement one.

Truth is, these guys were from the "pre-professional" eras of boxing before it became serious business, before sports science was applied to it. And it looked visibly different.

The further you go back in time, the more "cruisery" the HW division was AND..

The further you go back in time the more the eras were riddled with bums!

I agree, you CANNOT compare the eras because what was done then was great in the day but it isn't worth a single drop of piss in the desert compared to what is done today.

You have some explaining to do here Elroy1, this staement is ridiculous, seriously laughable but of course you have a right to explain your reasons for thinking this..... and I have a sneaking su****ion as to what you will say.... but go ahead Mr today is the only era where c**ts even know how to hold a glove even though many beg to differ I Elroy the contrarian is the only one who knows everything............................... longest surname in history that.

[Bozbay]

The good amateur fighters today would utterly destroy any pro boxer from 50 years past.

Go back another 50 years and there are guys in most pubs and on high school boxing teams that could have beaten those eras champs such as Dempsey.

PEople have gotten not only stronger and stronger but more and more violent in this sick society and will continue to do so.

There is no comparison to how vicious people are today in a fight as opposed to times past.

This extends to all other sports as well.

No athlete or sportsman from 50 years ago is anything compared to that today.

Using the logic in this statement, surely Floyd Mayweather is #1 on your list? Surely?

[McGoorty]

The good amateur fighters today would utterly destroy any pro boxer from 50 years past.

Go back another 50 years and there are guys in most pubs and on high school boxing teams that could have beaten those eras champs such as Dempsey.

PEople have gotten not only stronger and stronger but more and more violent in this sick society and will continue to do so.

There is no comparison to how vicious people are today in a fight as opposed to times past.

This extends to all other sports as well.

No athlete or sportsman from 50 years ago is anything compared to that today.

pfffft more personal opinion based on no facts whatsoever. Sure US society and many others are more vilent today than other times but many are way less violent like Australia which reached it peak in violence terms back in the 1860' to 1880's and in the 20's and thirties, the earlier time was like the US wild west only worse, bushrangers were terrible and disgustingly violent thugs and the 20's were the times of the razor gangs. Other nations like Norway had their peak way back in the 800s and 900's over a thousand years ago but anyway i digress, i will say it this way, guns and rocket launchers don't make you tough, they usually make you a lowlife. Boxers in the old days had to fight far tougher opponents under far longer fights with light gloves and had to fight all the time never getting time to get over injuries......but I know nothing anyone says will ever have an impact on you.

[Elroy1]

Complete rubbish in almost every sentence, at least in terms of consistency you never fail to disappoint. You have no clue whatsoever about the past so really you should only stick to what you know. Wlad never fought any bums or had complete mismatches ?????? hahaahahahahahahahahhahhahahahahhahahahahaha..... Is your name Billy Connelly ? are you taking the piss ?

Please identify a bum that Wlad fought?

You have to go all the way back to the 90's before you find anyone of that description on his record.

I know you CALL them bums but that's just a derogatory label for an otherwise good record strong opponent you don't like.

In Ali's era they were BUMS by RECORD and in Louis's era they were ACTUAL newspaper quilted bums!