Wlad's Place in History Discussion

[Bozbay]

Well as for Fury, he now has to cement a legacy but I have no idea how he will be able to do that but maybe you are right, I always felt that a Buster Douglas at his best vs Mike Tyson at his best probably wins 8 out of ten encounters due to various attributes and its true that styles make fights.

Buster did not whop Tyson over the full-distance though. Wladimir was genuinely, horribly, outboxed by someone he did not want to fight for more than 2 years. Tyson made Wladimir look his age, not one else could do that before because they were 5 inches shorter, both in terms of height and arm length.

Floyd Mayweather was head & shoulders above his competition but still has HOF names on his resume. You can't even compare Ali's top 3 wins to Wlad's. No chance.

[Elroy1]

Well as for Fury, he now has to cement a legacy but I have no idea how he will be able to do that but maybe you are right, I always felt that a Buster Douglas at his best vs Mike Tyson at his best probably wins 8 out of ten encounters due to various attributes and its true that styles make fights.

This is also garbage.

Most ppl know that the best versions of Mike and Wladimir beat Buster and Fury at their best. It's not set in stone but the likelihood of the 2 conquerers beating the best versions is pretty far fetched. ESPECIALLY in the case of Wladimir. 18 landed power shots in 12 rounds? Come on!!

[Elroy1]

Buster did not whop Tyson over the full-distance though. Wladimir was genuinely, horribly, outboxed by someone he did not want to fight for more than 2 years. Tyson made Wladimir look his age, not one else could do that before because they were 5 inches shorter, both in terms of height and arm length.

Floyd Mayweather was head & shoulders above his competition but still has HOF names on his resume. You can't even compare Ali's top 3 wins to Wlad's. No chance.

Ali's top 3 opponents, George Foreman would have been a bum today and not even got a fight with Wladimir and the other 2 couldn't have boxed.

Seth Mitchell is a Super-Norton...

Joe Frazier would never have got a boxing licence for ANY division because he was a handicap

Muhammad Ali himself it's difficult to envision even being a journeyman.

Your talking fighters from FIFTY years ago!! Unbelievable!

Wlad's STAY BUSY FIGHT against Alex Leapai- greater than ANY SINGLE WIN of Ali's - FACT!

[McGoorty]

- Almost ALL of Wladimir's championship fighters are HOF worthy opponents. There is simply no such thing as a HOFer in an era with such a dominant champion as Wlad because he doesn't allow others to shine he is so great. Tyson Fury HIMSELF isn't a HOFer yet simply for beating Wladimir and Wladimir himself exceeds HOF or ATG, those terms don't adequately describe him, more like SATG (Super-All Time Great) seems sufficient.

-Almost none of the established HOFers or ATG's could beat ANY of Wladimir's better opponents, let alone Wladimir himself.

-Ali would have never been allowed to fight as a HW in Wladimir's era, he would have got his ass busted as Cruiserweight as they were all far faster, stronger, more powerful, more atheltic and far more skilled than he was and he would have been only marginally useful as a sparring partner for even Wladimir's opponents, let alone Wladimir himself.

-Finally, there is no hard proof that Fury could NOT have beaten Wladimir anytime, but there is EXTREMELY circumstantial evidence to suggest he couldn't have. Something to the tune of a 1/10 chance for Fury. This was the best version of Fury ever seen against a version of Wlad not seen so bad since he was comebacking from being wasted. He is most certainly age ravaged, and was most certainly lazy and complacent, underestimating Fury, there can be no denying that.

- I doubt any NON-nut bag would really argue that best Wlad likely beats best Fury. The ONLY relevant question on a REALISTS head is "Can he rebuild and beat Fury in the rematch"...

A good amount of evidence suggests he can. And fortunately, we will soon know!

You have exposed yourself as a complete nut bag.. Welcome to that club!

You are a very confused type of guy, in one breath you can say something pretty good asnd then make EVERYONE here forget everything you may have said up to that point by throwing in a statement so totally dumb as to make people think WTF ? is he insane ?.
Here you say this -

There is simply no such thing as a HOFer in an era with such a dominant champion as Wlad because he doesn't allow others to shine he is so great.

That is a good point, doesn't win you a lot of freinds but that is still a worthy viewpoint, some really dominant champs simply beat all the top guys or most of them and then people in the game start throwing in long shots, many are talented but are thrown in way to early, cop a massive and savage beating they can't recover their careers and suddenly someone who may have been a future world beater is now driving cabs or making burgers in a trailer somewhere and getting tips for telling th story of, "the time I fought de champeen of de woild and got annihilated". Guys like Monzon did this and maybe they were that great but maybe they came along when the division wasn't so great.... I ain't comparing Monzons opponents to Wlads, Monzon does have a few good names in there though. .................................................. ................ .................................................. ...... Then you spoil it with this crap.

Ali would have never been allowed to fight as a HW in Wladimir's era, he would have got his ass busted as Cruiserweight as they were all far faster, stronger, more powerful, more atheltic and far more skilled than he was and he would have been only marginally useful as a sparring partner for even Wladimir's opponents, let alone Wladimir himself.

... I mean do you ever actually listen to yourself?... do you ever think before you speak ? do you ever contemplate what you write ? do have ANY respect for anyone else's knowledge or opinions ?... you really truly have to get over yourself, you display amazing arrogance and think the sun shines out of your proverbial.

Almost none of the established HOFers or ATG's could beat ANY of Wladimir's better opponents, let alone Wladimir himself.

This is unverifiable runny poo, opinion only.

You have exposed yourself as a complete nut bag.. Welcome to that club!

And that is just being offensive and more proof that you are arrogant and probably about 19 years old, this is not typical stuff for a mature adult.

[Bozbay]

Ali's top 3 opponents, George Foreman would have been a bum today and not even got a fight with Wladimir and the other 2 couldn't have boxed.

Seth Mitchell is a Super-Norton...

Joe Frazier would never have got a boxing licence for ANY division because he was a handicap

Muhammad Ali himself it's difficult to envision even being a journeyman.

Your talking fighters from FIFTY years ago!! Unbelievable!

Wlad's STAY BUSY FIGHT against Alex Leapai- greater than ANY SINGLE WIN of Ali's - FACT!

You cannot compare these guys in a match up. The eras are completely different. Using your logic, Floyd Mayweather is the greatest fighter of all times. Not a single loss against in a modern generation that is faster, stronger than the past eras?

[Elroy1]

Well he lost his title and he is getting old so I beg to differ.

I do agree with this^^

Except he will DEFINITELY be facing Fury in the rematch and retiring win or lose. Which is smart because he knows he is on the slide now and upsets like this will become more frequent. He knows he can avenge this one and go out on a high note.

If he beats Fury, reclaims the titles and chooses to continue then he is an idiot.

The HW division has never been this stacked. From number 1 to 50 there are superheavyweight punchers galore, these are dangerous times for a 40 year old champion.

[Bozbay]

I do agree with this^^

Except he will DEFINITELY be facing Fury in the rematch and retiring win or lose. Which is smart because he knows he is on the slide now and upsets like this will become more frequent. He knows he can avenge this one and go out on a high note.

If he beats Fury, reclaims the titles and chooses to continue then he is an idiot.

The HW division has never been this stacked. From number 1 to 50 there are superheavyweight punchers galore, these are dangerous times for a 40 year old champion.

So packed lol. Packed until the very top, where Wilder holds a WBC belt. Lol.

[McGoorty]

This is also garbage.

Most ppl know that the best versions of Mike and Wladimir beat Buster and Fury at their best. It's not set in stone but the likelihood of the 2 conquerers beating the best versions is pretty far fetched. ESPECIALLY in the case of Wladimir. 18 landed power shots in 12 rounds? Come on!!

Most ppl know that the best versions of Mike and Wladimir beat Buster and Fury at their best.

Oh they KNOW this do they ???? do THEY have access to other universes where all these scenario's have played out ? besides I never stated it as a fact, merely my opinion and it ain't based on pure guesswork, Tyson would always struggle with a hard punching guy with a great jaw, a very great jab and a helluva hard right hand and I am only talking prime Buster and that was that night in Tokyo, any other month or year Mike ices him.... as for Fury v Klit I never said anything but maybe the guy had a point there, yes the future should throw some more light on this

[McGoorty]

Ali's top 3 opponents, George Foreman would have been a bum today and not even got a fight with Wladimir and the other 2 couldn't have boxed.

Seth Mitchell is a Super-Norton...

Joe Frazier would never have got a boxing licence for ANY division because he was a handicap

Muhammad Ali himself it's difficult to envision even being a journeyman.

Your talking fighters from FIFTY years ago!! Unbelievable!

Wlad's STAY BUSY FIGHT against Alex Leapai- greater than ANY SINGLE WIN of Ali's - FACT!

Nah I am sure Foreman destroys Wlad in a fight, Wlad would need a great game plan and stick to it but George is not much smaller, they are almost even in size but George hit so hard one clean shot see's Wlad in serious trouble and more sledgehammers are on the waqy... you seriously couldn't possible find a worse match up in the the history of heavyweights than George for Wlad

[McGoorty]

I do agree with this^^

Except he will DEFINITELY be facing Fury in the rematch and retiring win or lose. Which is smart because he knows he is on the slide now and upsets like this will become more frequent. He knows he can avenge this one and go out on a high note.

If he beats Fury, reclaims the titles and chooses to continue then he is an idiot.

The HW division has never been this stacked. From number 1 to 50 there are superheavyweight punchers galore, these are dangerous times for a 40 year old champion.

packed with hard hitting supers well maybe but is the talent there ? we shall wait and see, for the sports sake I hope that somehow you will be right...... there is always a first time y'know.