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You cant ****in prove it, end of discussion. It was a legit win for holyfiled, whether you like it or not. Hell ali had trouble against a fighter like norton 3 times, holyfield and lennox are way better than norton.Originally posted by butterfly1964 View PostComment
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What is it with you and the new fighters? Is it because thats who you looked up to? Holyfield and Lennox are great but to say they are way better than Norton is just not true. Prime Norton was a dangerous fighter and I pick him to beat Holyfield. Possibly Lennox as well but I think his power would be too much.Originally posted by brownpimp88 View PostComment
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Are you joking, both will go down as better fighters than norton. Look up any Ring magazine rankings and u have both of these guys ahead of norton. Yeah what is wrong with liking the guys u idolized, i dont have to pretend i watched boxing from the old days. You can debate frazier and liston are better, not ken norton, no ****in way!Originally posted by Ali/Marciano View PostComment
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I admit that Tyson was a very good win for Holyfield. All I'm saying is that Ali was a much bertter win for Frazier.Originally posted by brownpimp88 View Post
IMO there are less people who would beat the 1971 version of Ali than people who would beat the 1996 version of Tyson.
In my opinion:
Prime Muhammad Ali UD 15 1971 Ali
Prime Sonny Liston TKO 13 1971 Ali
Prime George Foreman UD 15 1971 Ali
Prime Mike Tyson UD 15 1971 Ali
Prime Joe Louis UD 15 1971 Ali
Prime Joe Frazier UD 15 1971 Ali (this actually happened)
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Prime Muhammad Ali TKO 6 1996 Tyson
Prime Sonny Liston KO 2 1996 Tyson
Prime George Foreman TKO 2 1996 Tyson
Prime Mike Tyson KO 8 1996 Tyson
Prime Joe Louis TKO 10 1996 Tyson
Prime Larry Holmes TKO 10 1996 Tyson
Prime Joe Frazier TKO 7 1996 Tyson
Prime Jack Johnson UD 15 1996 Tyson
Prime Lennox Lewis UD 15 1996 Tyson
Prime Evander Holyfield TKO 9 1996 Tyson
Prime Rid**** Bowe UD 15 1996 TysonComment
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Originally posted by butterfly1964 View Post
they would be 12 rounders though.
but I agree with you on most accounts.Comment
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Holyfield has a better overall resume than frazier does, thats my whole point man. Frazier quit by the age of 32, so he would have had more losses if he kept boxing. His big wins are over ali and foster. The rest of the guys he beat were contenders, they arent big time boxers. Ring Magazine considers holyfield to be the superior boxer and i agree. He's beaten rid**** bowe once, and bowe would have crushed all of fraziers opponents except ali and george. He beat qawi twice, who is in the hall of fame. He has beat more than 10 different heavyweight champs in total.Originally posted by butterfly1964 View Post
When he fought tyson in 1996, tyson was the favourite to win the fight. Everyone was riding his ****, i'm surprised you didn't know that. I dont think jack johnson would have ever beat tyson, thats my opinion. I have seen footage of him and i consider bowe and tyson superior to him.Comment
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Originally posted by brownpimp88 View Post
gotta agree with you there. Tyson, Bowe and Holyfield are superior to Johnson in my oppinion.Comment
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A prime Tyson is superior to Johnson, I agree. But this is a 1996 past prime Tyson we are talking about. A prime Johnson would easily outbox this version of Tyson, as he was slower, did not go to the body as much as before, lost the technique to throw six punch combos in uncanny variations, and had way less stamina. Johnson's defense was way better than Lennox Lewis', so if Lewis outboxes him, so does Johnson.Originally posted by Southpaw Stinger View Post
However, I don't think Johnson would lose to any version of Holyfield and Bowe. Johnson was more skilled than either of these men. He was a smarter boxer than Holyfield who carried a bigger punch, plus Holfield had a tendency to brawl, which Johnson didn't. Johnson knew what he was doing in the ring, and he was very tricky. And Bowe would have no more than a puncher's chance against Johnson. His defense was average at best and Johnson would take advantage of every mistake he made.Comment
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without Ali coming back fraziers greatness dwindles:Originally posted by Ted Spoon View Post
wihtout ali frazier did not show his toughness he would have been considered a paper champion with Ali being the REAL champ.
Frazier would have lost against foreman further proving that he wasn;t a REAL champ.
without that trilogy we probably wouldn't consider frazier in the top 25 of boxers but wiht it he should be in anybodies top ten.
they both owe each other alot and yet they still can't get along!Comment
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