Who was faster Tyson or Ali?

[Zaroku]

The proof is in the putting; go to YouTube and find the Brian London - Ali fight and go to the knockout sequence.

I defy anyone to accurately count the number of punches Ali throws in those approximately 3 seconds. Can anyone show me something even remotely similar with Tyson (or any other heavyweight)?

I agree that Tyson had great hand speed in his prime, but I could always count his punches -- but this by Ali is off the scale. It is almost beyond what you would think a human being is capable of. Also, these are not short punches!! (as Tyson's generally were). It boggles the mind that he can deliver these types of punches at this speed. No other heavyweight has ever come close.

There is another discussion of Ali v Tyson on YouTube, and Larry Holmes (as well as some others) comments about the blazing hand speed of Ali.

Finally, if you go to Wiki and the section on Ali, there is the info about a guy who actually got films and compared the hand speed of Ali v. Sugar Ray Robinson and Ali was 25% faster!

QED, case closed.

Welcome Chris!
Zaroku

[chris boys]

So, you obviously did not watch the fight or the knockout sequence -- so what am I to conclude? Do you want to have a real discussion or just pull stuff out of your ass? Also, the video is good quality.

Also, you are comparing apples and oranges. Tyson punching a bag is not comparable in any way (or hardly any way) with a real fight. I ask you to show me something comparable by Tyson in a REAL FIGHT.

Put your money where your mouth is or go live in your fantasy world.

Finally, I am perfectly willing to be convinced that you are correct; just show me some evidence. (I am a lawyer, and I guess it is a prejudice of mine to rely on evidence.)

There is also something very interesting in the London-Ali sequence. Check the last punch of the sequence and note how Ali articulates his wrist to impact the punch at a different, downward angle. I studied some with a Tai Chi martial artist (not a clown either--but a killer fighter) and he told me that the ability to change the location of the fist at the moment of impact and adjust to the target is not easy to do at all. I am not sure if Tyson had this ability. Help me out here; maybe he did (again, evidence please).

[boxingnut712]

So, you obviously did not watch the fight or the knockout sequence -- so what am I to conclude? Do you want to have a real discussion or just pull stuff out of your ass? Also, the video is good quality.

Also, you are comparing apples and oranges. Tyson punching a bag is not comparable in any way (or hardly any way) with a real fight. I ask you to show me something comparable by Tyson in a REAL FIGHT.

Put your money where your mouth is or go live in your fantasy world.

Finally, I am perfectly willing to be convinced that you are correct; just show me some evidence. (I am a lawyer, and I guess it is a prejudice of mine to rely on evidence.)

There is also something very interesting in the London-Ali sequence. Check the last punch of the sequence and note how Ali articulates his wrist to impact the punch at a different, downward angle. I studied some with a Tai Chi martial artist (not a clown either--but a killer fighter) and he told me that the ability to change the location of the fist at the moment of impact and adjust to the target is not easy to do at all. I am not sure if Tyson had this ability. Help me out here; maybe he did (again, evidence please).

Muhammad Ali was faster then Mike Tyson.

[Zaroku]

So, you obviously did not watch the fight or the knockout sequence -- so what am I to conclude? Do you want to have a real discussion or just pull stuff out of your ass? Also, the video is good quality.

Also, you are comparing apples and oranges. Tyson punching a bag is not comparable in any way (or hardly any way) with a real fight. I ask you to show me something comparable by Tyson in a REAL FIGHT.

Put your money where your mouth is or go live in your fantasy world.

Finally, I am perfectly willing to be convinced that you are correct; just show me some evidence. (I am a lawyer, and I guess it is a prejudice of mine to rely on evidence.)

There is also something very interesting in the London-Ali sequence. Check the last punch of the sequence and note how Ali articulates his wrist to impact the punch at a different, downward angle. I studied some with a Tai Chi martial artist (not a clown either--but a killer fighter) and he told me that the ability to change the location of the fist at the moment of impact and adjust to the target is not easy to do at all. I am not sure if Tyson had this ability. Help me out here; maybe he did (again, evidence please).

A real world test. How fast under combat duress!?!?

Boards (heavy bags) don't hit back!
https://*************/watch?v=3zRsgsUWYks

The Master Bruce Lee

[BKM-2010]

So, you obviously did not watch the fight or the knockout sequence -- so what am I to conclude? Do you want to have a real discussion or just pull stuff out of your ass? Also, the video is good quality.

Also, you are comparing apples and oranges. Tyson punching a bag is not comparable in any way (or hardly any way) with a real fight. I ask you to show me something comparable by Tyson in a REAL FIGHT.

Put your money where your mouth is or go live in your fantasy world.

Finally, I am perfectly willing to be convinced that you are correct; just show me some evidence. (I am a lawyer, and I guess it is a prejudice of mine to rely on evidence.)

There is also something very interesting in the London-Ali sequence. Check the last punch of the sequence and note how Ali articulates his wrist to impact the punch at a different, downward angle. I studied some with a Tai Chi martial artist (not a clown either--but a killer fighter) and he told me that the ability to change the location of the fist at the moment of impact and adjust to the target is not easy to do at all. I am not sure if Tyson had this ability. Help me out here; maybe he did (again, evidence please).

What a strange mental patient you are. You have someone disagreeing with you and you resort to ad hominems immediately and feel like you're pushed into a corner of a courtroom. Wonderful new addition we have here, you never know what kind of freak is gonna pop up here.


About a minute in for the first knockdown, that's a 4 punch combination at the same speed as the heavybag video, which btw is a legit showcase of handspeed. Faster than anything Ali could ever put into a combination. Yes Ali's KO of London was incredible but you've watched it in a 2 pixel video which makes it look faster than it was.

But there is good quality footage of the phantom punch which like I said, is probably the fastest single punch thrown by a heavyweight including Tyson.

That's two disagreements with you now, your highness. Do you feel like a **** victim now?

[chris boys]

Okay, very good -- some evidence. You have my attention. I do not quite understand your comment about pixels. Can you explain? I actually think a better question is about the frame speed (or frame density) of the respective videos. Maybe the speed of the Ali fight is because it didn't have the same frame speed or density as the Tyson clip. Because, I think you have to admit, you can count the punches by Tyson, and you cannot (or at least I can't) count the punches by Ali.

[Elroy1]

Anybody can throw rapid wind makers like Ali did..

"Brian London"? LOL WTF!!!

Today's cruisers blow Ali out of the water! Apples to apples.

As for Ray Corso entering the thread, obviously by comparison to pre-professional eras, Roy Jones WAS a HW! Tsk tsk tsk.

[Zaroku]

Okay, very good -- some evidence. You have my attention. I do not quite understand your comment about pixels. Can you explain? I actually think a better question is about the frame speed (or frame density) of the respective videos. Maybe the speed of the Ali fight is because it didn't have the same frame speed or density as the Tyson clip. Because, I think you have to admit, you can count the punches by Tyson, and you cannot (or at least I can't) count the punches by Ali.

Very interesting point. Does anyone know the frame rate these videos were shot at respectively?

How many FPS for each video?

[Elroy1]

Tyson already DID fight a guy pretty much comparale to a prime Ali...

Let's see what happened...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2S8MbKDeByI

The proof is overwhelming.

Case closed!

[Zaroku]

Tyson already DID fight a guy pretty much comparale to a prime Ali...

Let's see what happened...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2S8MbKDeByI

The proof is overwhelming.

Case closed!

Comparable to Ali in what way? Height? Age?
Case not closed.