Is super-heavyweight domination a myth?

[juggernaut666]

There is only one guy at 220 in the top 20....thread end !

Its not about can a small HW win,these are different times ,keep in mind 6'5 240 Bowe dominated Holyfield all but when he came as not as good shape.SHW have dominated since 91.

[juggernaut666]

Foreman and Norton were lean and muscular at 220 pounds. Ali was lean and superbly conditioned at 215 pounds, pre-exile.

Sanders and Brewster are natural 210 pounders carrying 15 pounds of excess extra flab.

When a fighter is lean at a certain weight, while the other is rotund and chubby, the former is considered to be naturally bigger.

By your account, James Toney is as big as Wladimir Klitschko because they both weigh 240 pounds.



Totally proven? Where's the evidence then? Put up or shut up.



So basically you are going to ignore the fact that both landed a similar amount of punches, and that Vitali himself thought he was going to lose, because a panel of judges in Germany thought otherwise? You're stretching it. The fight was competitive.

And Vitali said in a post-fight interview that there was an injury, but it was not the reason why he quit. He also admitted that he couldn't withstand Byrd's southpaw style.



Bowe ducked Lennox because of politics. A fight between them was in the making and then Lewis got knocked out by McCall.

Also, Golota was sedated right before the Lewis fight due to a knee injury and had a seizure in the dressing room afterwards. Well known.



Lewis struggled as much as Holyfield did. Holyfield "lost half as much as he won"? He was 36-3 going into the Lewis fight. One loss was to Bowe in their first fight and it was the only legitimate loss of his early career. In the third Bowe fight he had hepatitis and gassed out in the mid rounds, against Moorer he was diagnosed with cardiovascular problems and retired for a year right afterwards.

I'm going to assume you're not going to consider his loss streak in the 2000s when he was beyond washed up.

And again, Holyfield arguably beat Lewis in their second fight!!! Why are you ignoring this?

Norton was more on the lines of 210 in his prime.The fact is Lewis was the most dominant champ of his era"90's"...most of the top guys were SHW's its not even disputable.Where is the evidence Holyfield was better than Lewis? MOST CONSIDERED LEWIS BETTER THAN BOWE,ONE CAN JUST SEE WHAT lEWIS DID TO GOLOTA IN COMPARISON...AGAIN NOT EVEN DISPUTABLE,no tall tale of golota sedation is even worth discussing here...lol


Just look at the resumes.

[Elroy1]

Additionally I did not see Holyfield fight the Golota's and Grants and Morrisons and Briggs and Tuas of the world.

I did see him fight Rahman.. And FAIL. Sure he won TKO but irf you look beyond boxrec you see it was a horrific Yand very strange unfortunate injury thart resulted in stoppage..

Rahman was in fact WINNING the fight!

And I especially liked this..

Lamon Brewster.. A natural 210lber...

http://www.setcelebs.com/images/lamon-brewster-03.jpg

Yes that is clear for all to see..

[Scott9945]

Additionally I did not see Holyfield fight the Golota's and Grants and Morrisons and Briggs and Tuas of the world.

I did see him fight Rahman.. And FAIL. Sure he won TKO but irf you look beyond boxrec you see it was a horrific Yand very strange unfortunate injury thart resulted in stoppage..

Rahman was in fact WINNING the fight!

And I especially liked this..

Lamon Brewster.. A natural 210lber...

http://www.setcelebs.com/images/lamon-brewster-03.jpg

Yes that is clear for all to see..

Holyfield was ahead by five rounds on two of the cards, so you are dead wrong.

Now that is a FACT! You should try actually watching these fights.

[billeau2]

Holyfield was ahead by five rounds on two of the cards, so you are dead wrong.

Now that is a FACT! You should try actually watching these fights.

Thats the fight where Rahman learned that two heads are not always better than one! man I thought that hemotoma was going to grow a face and start coaching Hasiim.

[Pugilist_Spec]

Additionally I did not see Holyfield fight the Golota's and Grants and Morrisons and Briggs and Tuas of the world.

Yes, because he was fighting the Mercers, Bowes, Tysons and Moorers.

I did see him fight Rahman.. And FAIL. Sure he won TKO but irf you look beyond boxrec you see it was a horrific Yand very strange unfortunate injury thart resulted in stoppage..

He won via technical decision on the scorecards you spastic

And I especially liked this..

Lamon Brewster.. A natural 210lber...

Yes that is clear for all to see..

Thanks for proving my point...

That's exactly what I described...a natural 210 pounder carrying 20 pounds of excess weight. He tries to flex his muscles and you can still see the flab lmao.

[juggernaut666]

Yes, because he was fighting the Mercers, Bowes, Tysons and Moorers.



He won via technical decision on the scorecards you spastic



Thanks for proving my point...

That's exactly what I described...a natural 210 pounder carrying 20 pounds of excess weight. He tries to flex his muscles and you can still see the flab lmao.

Golota and Morrison were more dangerous at that time than anyone Holyfield was fighting.And Tua destroyed Moorer..holyfield lost to both, Moorer and Bowe .Holyfield did not fight the bigger Hw's other than Bowe. Both fought Mercer, the only true case one can make is Tyson,and that's how good do you really rank him in the late 90's,overall Lewis still had the better resume,and he really doesn't need Tyson to do so since he was not the best after 91.Adding Vitali to the list ,Tyson is not even relevant compared to him at any point after prison.

[Pugilist_Spec]

Golota and Morrison were more dangerous at that time than anyone Holyfield was fighting.And Tua destroyed Moorer..holyfield lost to both, Moorer and Bowe .Holyfield did not fight the bigger Hw's other than Bowe. Both fought Mercer, the only true case one can make is Tyson,and that's how good do you really rank him in the late 90's,overall Lewis still had the better resume,and he really doesn't need Tyson to do so since he was not the best after 91.

Morrison was an exposed never-been who had a draw with Ross Purrity and got knocked out by taxi driver Michael Bentt...leading up to the Lewis fight he had a single good win, over a washed-up Razor Ruddock, who was controversially stopped...

Golota was dangerous for about 1 second in-between the Bowe fights and Lewis fights, then he pretty much faded into irrelevance.

I'll agree with you that Lewis had a better resume, but you're short-selling Holyfield here. Moorer would easily be a top 10 win for Lewis, him getting stopped in the 00s by Tua when he was brutally shot means nothing really...

Old Foreman and Holmes were still dangerous and potent, and a peak Bowe is better than anyone Lewis fought short of Vitali...also, by the time the Golotas and Tuas started popping up, Holyfield was already on and off retired and fighting grand scale title fights Tyson and Moorer...

[oscar9992]

Tall heavy'w's with a great reach are dominant force now.

Just look Klitschkos, Fury, Wilder, Joshua etc. It's not new thing, that's from Lennox's days. That's why he dominated HW divion in 90's and beat beat guys like Holyfield, Tyson.
Also how Bowe beat Holyfield.

[Elroy1]

Morrison was an exposed never-been who had a draw with Ross Purrity and got knocked out by taxi driver Michael Bentt...leading up to the Lewis fight he had a single good win, over a washed-up Razor Ruddock, who was controversially stopped...

Golota was dangerous for about 1 second in-between the Bowe fights and Lewis fights, then he pretty much faded into irrelevance.

I'll agree with you that Lewis had a better resume, but you're short-selling Holyfield here. Moorer would easily be a top 10 win for Lewis, him getting stopped in the 00s by Tua when he was brutally shot means nothing really...

Old Foreman and Holmes were still dangerous and potent, and a peak Bowe is better than anyone Lewis fought short of Vitali...also, by the time the Golotas and Tuas started popping up, Holyfield was already on and off retired and fighting grand scale title fights Tyson and Moorer...

You offered a nug bag opinion.

Jugs offered a solid opinion.,

The real distinction comnes by this.

Holyfield's resume does not even come close to Lewis's.

And I consider Holyfield a top 6-4 and Lewis a top 3-1 HW. THAT'S the difference! The difference between the second tier top 3 from the 1st tier top 3 is greater than tyhat between Holy and all others basically..

NOTE: Late mistypes are because I am using a temp USB keyboard. I spilled beer over my laptop cause my son wa F*ing around. Fact! LOL