How many fighters of the last 15-20 years can be considered ATG's/legends

[billeau2]

Well I'd say Vitali went for it there. He didn't quit against Lewis. And that's a good point about knocking out the best to be an ATG or at least getting a shutout on the scorecards. Lewis himself even said on the Legendary Nights final episode about his fight with Tyson "You only get credit for knocking people out" or something to that effect.

Well..... I am not questioning his heart. But the great ones find a way...Heres another one of my corny stories to make a point about Vitalie: So for a while, in my younger days, I had this insane job of doing road service calls...this was many years ago. So on some of the better cars, when they got a flat, because they were machine tightened, sometimes we could not change them. So this san francisco corporate dude has a flat on his Audi. i look at the thing and tell him "I will try but I don't want to shred your bolt post off"... and he sort of looks at me and says "Listen its your responsability to change this flat...I don't want to hear excuses, either you can do what your supposed to do, or you can't." Well, I change the thing and he gives me a fat fifty dollar tip.

Thing is? in this guys world, you were succesful, you could do it, or not... You were given a raise, or you were fired, fed steak au Pove, or fed to the lions... Maybe you were a good guy, a bad guy, didn't really matter at the end of the day.

At the end of the day Vitalie is a nice guy, well educated, a hell of a fighter...but not good enough, when he had the chance, to do what he had to do to show he was better than Lewis. By point of comparison, Ali who was a massive underdog never even let the corrupt judges have a chance to rob him against Foreman or Liston.

[billeau2]

They both had great chin,

they both fought well against larger+quality opponents

they were approximately the same size and strength

they booth fought with a similar style.

The main difference was Holy was a little bit more punch baggish than Adamek, but that's not to say that he wasn't nimble when he was younger of course.

The parallels are staggering.

And it's only in the minds of OTNB that they are not.

And it's only because of the implications for Vitali Klitschko=GOAT they they are repressed.

You don't even have the capacity to properly build up Adamek...because he never really beat guys half as good as Holly did. You try to build him up to make a case for the poor comp Vitalie fought, but yu can't and you just sound ridiculous.

By the way there are many large polish communities in this country and they are fans of Adamek, so he is known and marketed in this country as was Golata.

[boxingnut712]

You don't even have the capacity to properly build up Adamek...because he never really beat guys half as good as Holly did. You try to build him up to make a case for the poor comp Vitalie fought, but yu can't and you just sound ridiculous.

By the way there are many large polish communities in this country and they are fans of Adamek, so he is known and marketed in this country as was Golata.

In the case of Adamek, I would take Michael Moorer over him. I might even take that German kid who only fought the last 6 rounds Alex Schultz over Adamek.

As in the Case of Vitali Klitschko, I like him, I think he is the better of the two Klitschko brothers, but I can not make a case for either one of them. Vitali quit against Chris Byrd. When Larry Holmes was broke, had no money for sparring partners, and a dislocated shoulder he boxed Ken Norton for 15 rounds to win the title. Lennox Lewis took the Klitschko fight on 7 - 10 days notice. Lennox was suppose to face Kirk Johnson, and Lennox was training very poorly from what I understand, and Klitschko still could not beat him. Oliver McCall, and Hasim Rahman knocked out Lennox Lewis when he trained poorly. The best Klitschko could do is stagger him.

[Scott9945]

That's the same as me asking "What was Holy's biggest win? Dwight Kwai???

It's ******!

And of course Tomasz could have beaten those bloody opponents!

Would you not simply ASSUME that Holyfield could have beaten Arreola, Golota, Grant and Chambers? Even though there can be much doubt there also???

Only someone who has never seen Adamek fight can write him off like you do.

You comment on guys you've never even seen!

Fortunately, I have seen both and all fights and can therefore make a completely non-biased opinion! based on nothing more than actual fact!

Dwight Qwai was a better win than anything in Adamek's career. And I've seen him fight more times than you have. You read about boxing and I actually watch it,

Could Holyfield beat those guys you mentioned?

Give me a break Leroy.

[Elroy1]

You guys are incorrigible!

Adamek would never ever have lost to Michael Moorer and everybody knows it!

If you choose not to believe that Adamek and Holyfield are comparable, your choice. Most sane ppl know he is....

Again...

Racism, nationalism, nostalgism.. These are the reasons to declare otherwise.

[billeau2]

In the case of Adamek, I would take Michael Moorer over him. I might even take that German kid who only fought the last 6 rounds Alex Schultz over Adamek.

As in the Case of Vitali Klitschko, I like him, I think he is the better of the two Klitschko brothers, but I can not make a case for either one of them. Vitali quit against Chris Byrd. When Larry Holmes was broke, had no money for sparring partners, and a dislocated shoulder he boxed Ken Norton for 15 rounds to win the title. Lennox Lewis took the Klitschko fight on 7 - 10 days notice. Lennox was suppose to face Kirk Johnson, and Lennox was training very poorly from what I understand, and Klitschko still could not beat him. Oliver McCall, and Hasim Rahman knocked out Lennox Lewis when he trained poorly. The best Klitschko could do is stagger him.

I agree. I happen to be partial to Moore, but many people would take Moore over Adamek. There are quite a few posters who would take Vitali over his brother, I would. That shoulder situation is tricky. Having been smacked around in martial arts, and dealing with some of the dreadful feelings that an injury can cause I would not second guess a fighter's decision to stop fighting...However it must be said that fighters have overcome similar levels of pain and injury and not stopped fighting. If we compare Vitalie to the "gold standard" of Ali for example, we know Ali fought with a broken jaw.

Elroy will try to convince people that Kirk Johnson was formidable...what a laugh lol. Yes, Lewis took it easy thinking he would fight Johnson and wound up with Vitali. And yes again, the best Vitali could do was stagger him. Also towards the end of the stoppage Vitali was getting hit more, and he probably knew he didn't have much time with his face getting mashed. The rhetorical question is: did Vitali leave it all in the ring? Could he have tried a little harder to KO Lewis or, is the best he could do was to stagger Lewis?

[Motivedia]

TBE. Lennox. Klitshcko.

[boxingnut712]

You guys are incorrigible!

Adamek would never ever have lost to Michael Moorer and everybody knows it!

If you choose not to believe that Adamek and Holyfield are comparable, your choice. Most sane ppl know he is....

Again...

Racism, nationalism, nostalgism.. These are the reasons to declare otherwise.

Hmmm, and then there is the common sense factor.

Look man I am German - Polish. I do not hate Adamek, I am just reasonable. Not only would Michael Moorer have beaten Adamek at heavyweight, but Moorer would have beat him at Light Heavyweight also. Ingemar Johansson would have beaten Tomasz Adamek.

You must be thinking of another Evander Holyfield other then the one from Atlanta that is all I can come up with.

[just the facts]

You guys are incorrigible!

Adamek would never ever have lost to Michael Moorer and everybody knows it!

If you choose not to believe that Adamek and Holyfield are comparable, your choice. Most sane ppl know he is....

Again...

Racism, nationalism, nostalgism.. These are the reasons to declare otherwise.

Do you post for pure shock value or are you really this ******?

[Ray Corso]

I used to think he worked at being ******, now I think its a natural thing!