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Rid**** Bowe or Vitali Klitschko. Who ranks higher?
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Originally posted by billeau2 View PostI frankly never understood how Vlad was thought of as better. Vitali definitely has a chin, he didn't falter and...he was much stronger against Peter.
Coming out of the Olympics- wlad was considered better pro prospect because he was much more athletic..
But then the purritty fight happened and vitali won a belt off herbie and became known as better than wlad
Then vitali lost to byrd and wlad dominated byrd and wlad reclaimed the throne
Then wlad got beat by sanders n brewster and vitali had a war with lennox and stopped sanders and became considered the best..
Then vitali retired and wlad for the past decade has stayed active and champion and by far has surpassed vitali in terms of resume..
I still think vitali is better h2h
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.............."Big Bro was far more dominant."...........
Chris Byrd and Lennox are the best fighters Vitali fought, not to good!
Brewster & Sanders stop Wlad as under dogs, not to good!
So Ross Purity is the deciding factor for the Brothers? hahahaha
Maybe Chris Byrd who couldn't break broken eggs? Seriously?
Try to consider the reality that these two men haven't fought ANYONE
with top flight credentials.
Were they dominant over all? Yes!
Was their competition high level? NO!
Look at their skill levels the jab, combinations, movement, defense, ring generalship, willingness, able to adapt? Threy have some of these qualities but they do nothing at a high level.
Skills and techniques are taught, they know very little. Manny taught Wlad how to stay out of trouble and fight tall. The reason is valid, chin isn't there. Just watch him when he gets hit by minimal shots, he has panic in his eyes.
I give both their props for being in good shape and trying their best but their best isn't great when you compare their skills to past greats.
Ray
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Originally posted by billeau2 View PostI frankly never understood how Vlad was thought of as better. Vitali definitely has a chin, he didn't falter and...he was much stronger against Peter.
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Originally posted by Ray Corso View Post.............."Big Bro was far more dominant."...........
Chris Byrd and Lennox are the best fighters Vitali fought, not to good!
Brewster & Sanders stop Wlad as under dogs, not to good!
So Ross Purity is the deciding factor for the Brothers? hahahaha
Maybe Chris Byrd who couldn't break broken eggs? Seriously?
Try to consider the reality that these two men haven't fought ANYONE
with top flight credentials.
Were they dominant over all? Yes!
Was their competition high level? NO!
Look at their skill levels the jab, combinations, movement, defense, ring generalship, willingness, able to adapt? Threy have some of these qualities but they do nothing at a high level.
Skills and techniques are taught, they know very little. Manny taught Wlad how to stay out of trouble and fight tall. The reason is valid, chin isn't there. Just watch him when he gets hit by minimal shots, he has panic in his eyes.
I give both their props for being in good shape and trying their best but their best isn't great when you compare their skills to past greats.
Ray
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Originally posted by Joeyzagz View PostThe names on Bowe's resume are so bad, you can barely tell what era the guy fought in, Holyfield being the one lone exception.
Early 90s was STACKED: Douglas, Mercer, Holmes, Morrison, Lennox, Bruno, Ruddock, moorer, Tucker, foreman, Tyson,
^^^even an average 90s fighter is gonna end up facing at least one of those guys by Mistake or sheer happenstance, Bowe didn't fight a damn single one! It's insane how he earned all those Holyfield fights without ever digging into the meat of the division.
Yes, His best win is far greater than Vitalis best win. but Vitali's resume #2-#10 absolutely crushes Bowe. So overall it's a toss up IMO
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Originally posted by juggernaut666 View PostBowe never fought Morrison...rumor has it he sparred him twice and quit because Bowe couldn't take his body punches and walked out of the ring,this is confirmed by a close friend to the Morrisons on you tube. I don't believe he fought Briggs or Cooper either.
http://articles.latimes.com/1993-06-...1_rid****-bowe
Vitali's resume is absolute garbage. And he lost his biggest fight. Bowe won his.
Vitali's best wins Arroela and Peter were barley as good as Jesse Furguson.
Bowe had to fight Ferguson after he beat Ray Mercer in an eliminator . Mercer also was better than Arrolea and Peter.
Donald was prime and undefeated with Bowe shut him out. He was a very good mover in the early 90's. His legs were gone against Vitali 8 years later and he had already picked up a loss to Kirk Johnson.
Bowe has a win against a top ATG in his prime and thats a rarity in HW boxing.
Its laughable to suggest Vitali has a better CV.
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Originally posted by Sugar Adam Ali View Posthonestly Golata 96, that bowe fought twice is probably better fighter than anyone vital beat
Bowe did not really Beat Golata. Those fights are probably best forgotten and never thought of again, except as a birth control method....To my mind if I saw a 25 year old Rachel Welch naked and it was no touch? I would take a cold shower while watching Golata pound Bowe in the bellend!!
Also, I am strictly in the camp stating that Vitali lost to Lewis and that Lewis was getting stronger. But it is fair to say that Vitali lost this as a close fight, and that Bowe won close fights from Holly (the two he won), so both guys essentially fought well against ATG/Borderline ATG comp (depending on how you feel about both guys).
Beyond that I have had some problems finding info on who Bowe fought...Some people say he fought Donald some say he didn't and Wiki says he fought morrison! Thank you Juggy for correcting me on these...BUT while both guys seem to have fought a similar amount of fights, Bowe fought a few more when he was not at his best, so Vitali was more consistant.
Of course Bowe fought better comp...
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Originally posted by Burt Saxby View PostMorrison was not allowed fight Bowe by his promoter.
http://articles.latimes.com/1993-06-...1_rid****-bowe
Vitali's resume is absolute garbage. And he lost his biggest fight. Bowe won his.
Vitali's best wins Arroela and Peter were barley as good as Jesse Furguson.
Bowe had to fight Ferguson after he beat Ray Mercer in an eliminator . Mercer also was better than Arrolea and Peter.
Donald was prime and undefeated with Bowe shut him out. He was a very good mover in the early 90's. His legs were gone against Vitali 8 years later and he had already picked up a loss to Kirk Johnson.
Bowe has a win against a top ATG in his prime and thats a rarity in HW boxing.
Its laughable to suggest Vitali has a better CV.
the better question is why Bowe turned down a fight with Ruddock in replacement on a free fight worth usa network? This is the guy you are trying to sell over a guy never down or behind in a fight.Last edited by juggernaut666; 10-04-2015, 06:31 PM.
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