Sorry, but this boxers were /are incredibly overrated.

[gamesworn]

Marquez III was a loss, Clottey, Mosley and Rios were coming off losses, Algieri wasn't a WW and Bradley I was Bradley moving up from 140.

Dela Hoya was a Zombie and Cotto had just gotten destroyed a year earlier by plaster of paris and almost lost to Clottey, and the fight was at a catchweight.

Pacquiao's best win at WW is Bradley II, who he already beat in the first fight and injured his leg early in the fight, second best is Cotto, but all the rest is media hype.

So Mayweather lost to Maidana and Castillo because it's a close fight. Right?

Mosley 's last fight was a draw. Clottey's loss to Cotto was close and the guy was still ranked at WW. Same with Cotto. Those were very good wins especially in Pacquiao's size.

1 loss does not equate to a shot damage fighter.

Stop spewing lies everywhere like your idol. You are one of the Floyd nuthugger here. GTFO

[Ahmed_Ismail]

So Mayweather lost to Maidana and Castillo because it's a close fight. Right?

Mosley 's last fight was a draw. Clottey's loss to Cotto was close and the guy was still ranked at WW. Same with Cotto. Those were very good wins especially in Pacquiao's size.

1 loss does not equate to a shot damage fighter.

Stop spewing lies everywhere like your idol. You are one of the Floyd nuthugger here. GTFO

Marquez vs Pacquiao III was maybe as close as Mayweather Maidana in favor of Marquez, just like Maidana, no way Pacquiao won more than 5 rounds in this Marquez III fight.

Mayweather Castillo could've gone either way, there's a difference.
Mosley was coming off a loss and a draw to Sergio freaking Mora! Which to anybody who knows about boxing means that he was coming off a loss.

Clottey was ranked? Who the hell did he beat? The only 2 top guys he fought where Cotto and Margarito and he lost.

So now u guys use the excuse that Pacquiao fought weak opposition at WW because of his size? That's ok, I have no problem with that, for his size he did well, but for a normal WW he fought mediocre competition, not comparable to Floyd Mayweather's run at 147 and 154 whatsoever.

[gamesworn]

Marquez vs Pacquiao III was maybe as close as Mayweather Maidana in favor of Marquez, just like Maidana, no way Pacquiao won more than 5 rounds in this Marquez III fight.

Mayweather Castillo could've gone either way, there's a difference.
Mosley was coming off a loss and a draw to Sergio freaking Mora! Which to anybody who knows about boxing means that he was coming off a loss.

Clottey was ranked? Who the hell did he beat? The only 2 top guys he fought where Cotto and Margarito and he lost.

So now u guys use the excuse that Pacquiao fought weak opposition at WW because of his size? That's ok, I have no problem with that, for his size he did well, but for a normal WW he fought mediocre competition, not comparable to Floyd Mayweather's run at 147 and 154 whatsoever.

Like I said you are a Floyd nuthugger. I called your lies in your last post, you will try to spin it and lie all over again, and we will not stop arguing.

There is nothing great in Floyd WW career. Will you consider him as one of the top 10 WW of all time? hell no. In fact Floyd's career in WW slightly edges Pacquiao because of his Pacquiao win. Canelo, Cotto and DLH all of this is at jrMW not on WW.

I will not reply to you again regarding this topic. I don't want to include myself in endless debate against a liar.

[Zaroku]

Is this where someone pipes up...quite emphatically "she is most definitely not overrated!"

Sad he had to bring up mothers!

[Zaroku]

Marquez vs Pacquiao III was maybe as close as Mayweather Maidana in favor of Marquez, just like Maidana, no way Pacquiao won more than 5 rounds in this Marquez III fight.

Mayweather Castillo could've gone either way, there's a difference.
Mosley was coming off a loss and a draw to Sergio freaking Mora! Which to anybody who knows about boxing means that he was coming off a loss.

Clottey was ranked? Who the hell did he beat? The only 2 top guys he fought where Cotto and Margarito and he lost.

So now u guys use the excuse that Pacquiao fought weak opposition at WW because of his size? That's ok, I have no problem with that, for his size he did well, but for a normal WW he fought mediocre competition, not comparable to Floyd Mayweather's run at 147 and 154 whatsoever.

Castillo won the first fight, Mayweather the rematch!

[Ham Porter]

because Ray wasn't really ahead or even beating Duran at the time he said no mas.

[BennyST]

Ray Leonard wins;

Benitez - Prime
Hearns - Prime
Duran - Prime
Hagler - slightly post prime but still one if, not not the best fighter in the world.

No more needs to be said really. Don't even need to go into anything else he did.

It really is all that needs to be mentioned with Leonard isn't it? You don't even need to go into his second and third tier wins. Those four names say it all.

Leonard does not hold a win over a prime duran but is a fabulous boxer

Duran might not have been at his peak and in the best form he
had ever been, like in the first fight, but he was still in his prime. I think that first fight took the fire out of him because he had achieved it all and climbed the peak. Once he had beaten Leonard, that anger/passion/fire that drove his training and motivated him seemed to disappear, then the second fight, increasing age and weight gain really killed his prime.

[ragin]

Pedro----love it. thank you. Disagree about Paq and Tyson but oh well. Ali---I call him the most most overrated human of the 20th century. Close second is Ghandi. Leonard---still thinking. Even with his loss to an almost-prime duran he fought a fight not suited to his strengths and almost won. I still hate him though. Tyson? never ducked a soul---maybe just Foreman. Continue the hate/ disagreements..... Good conversations except for the typical idiots

[ragin]

Marciano. Always. I am a white blue collar guy that lives a short distance from Brockton Ma. Perhaps I should have bias. I do not. I boxed for a few years but certainly would not consider my self an expert----just read and watch everything. In my eyes I feel RM is slow , awkward and so easy to hit. Not even a fantastic chin--good one but not great. He beat Joe L. in a tough fight and knocked out Walcott when he was older than Noah. Maybe I am missing something. But, I was am always under the impression that athletes over a 25-30 year period improve. They are stronger , faster --ok maybe not tougher. Watch the film of Dempsey. He looks like a welterweight vs. the plodding Rock. When I watch the films of the HW champs I see Marciano so vastly inferior to Jack J. Dempsey, Loius, Liston, Ali., Holmes Tyson, Lennox. My opinion only. Peace

[nivek535]

before anyone argues anything, we must first define the term overrated. lol