Sorry, but this boxers were /are incredibly overrated.

[Scott9945]

so mature, u must be a rocky fan

So most Rocky Marciano fans are immature? I thought most of them were dead.

[SouthPawHitman]

so mature, u must be a rocky fan

Your mom is mature.

[TBear]

What, no mention of Ray Robinson and Muhammad Ali?

[joseph5620]

So most Rocky Marciano fans are immature? I thought most of them were dead.

[Ahmed_Ismail]

Leonard was a tremendous fighter and an ATG for sure, he didn't have the longevity that fighters like Floyd or Bernard had and all his good wins were at the weight class he started at, he was the cash cow and didn't have to climb up too much to make money, but still he has historic wins against great fighters.

It's a matter of taste, technically I love how Leonard fought, he was one of the smartest of his time, he just made too much money early and lost hunger, so when he got older he wasn't the same, plus the long layoff hurt him badly.

Fighters of today are held to a very high standard at an old age compared to these guys of the past, but an old man beating younger bigger champions is not as big of an accomplishment as fighting elite fighters in ur prime while u r in ur prime, that's just how a lot of people look at it.

[Rockin']

the only thing overrated in this thread is your opinion of your own opinion.

[Zaroku]

I ll try to not make this too painful, but i feel like i need to say this.

a) Mike Tyson.

Great champion, makes it to the top 20 (at the HW division) at his prime.
But considering him among the top 10 best pound for pound fighters or the top 10 heavys, its ridicolous.

He never beated a really big name except an old larry holmes and a scared blown up cruiser Spinks.

b) Ray Leonard.

This guy, many people place him at the top 20 p4p or the top 10 as a welter / middleweight.

Being honest, if the analyze his 5/6 bigger fights, he wasnt that "sweet".

He lost to duran prime for prime, being Duran a natural lightweight.

He won to a dehydrated and unconditioned Duran only 5 months later, having duran got fat and slow after his victory in Montreal.

He got a lucky early stoppage over Thomas hearns, and before that, the hitman had clearly outboxed him and beated him on points.

Later on, as a middleweight, Hearns got robbed with a ridicoulous draw againts sugar ray, after knocking down leonard 2 times.

And then, after ducking Mike McCallum and Aaron Pyror his whole career, he came to suddenly fight and old and battered Marvin Hagler, and got away with a split decision which i consider a robbery as well.

c) Manny Pacquiao.

Nothing against the pac man, big fan of his, but today you can find a lot of people placing him in the top 10 pound 4 pound of history. No comments on that.

d)Rocky Marciano.

And undefeated record does nothing to make you a great fighter if you never truly fought any good fighter in his prime, and most of your opponents were bums of old fighters way past their prime.

Let the hate begin.

I agree with all except Tyson!

I can add a few too!

I think Ali is a bit over rated. To be fair he got cheated out of about 4 years of his career! Frazier gave him money when
He was broke and never got paid back, yet Ali talked crap about Frazier!
I would
Like to think it was to sell tickets???

Prince Hamed

& many others!

Ali is great, but his greatest achievement was saying I won't go to Vietnam.

[Zaroku]

So most Rocky Marciano fans are immature? I thought most of them were dead.

So funny! But not all! My two uncles love Marciano, but say he is too small to deal with the big boys now! Too much size, too much power!

[gamesworn]

Whats worse is both spinks and holmes were coming back for paychecks after layoffs. These guys weee literally fed to mike to build up his resume. The best actual competition on his resume is tony tucker because you can make a valid argument that a ******* addicted and out of shape version went the distance with a prime lennox lewis.

Tyson is brutally overrated on the all time list but he would certainly be a limited strong contender in any era. H2h though hes not beating any determined atg champion. Even the version of holyfield that beat him was past prime, blown up and on the decline.

Ray leonard Isn't really overated on a big scale, but by americans he is. You are right his win over Duran is sort of weak, involved good business manuevers and the actual fight was a let down because Ray wasn't really ahead or even beating Duran at the time he said no mas. On top of that, the first and most significant fight has Duran soundly beating Leonard - and the common misconception was leonard fought flat footed. This was from ferdie pachecos bull**** nuthugging commentating that he is known for. Watch leonards entire career, he was a boxer puncher who got in with a ring master who knew how to cut the ring off.

However, Leonard still proved his balls in that fight and furthermore beat a prime thomas hearns, which is one of the best wins on a ww resume in the history of the sport.

His hagler win was impressive because hagler destroyed everyone, and leonard...not being in his prime either jumped up and won a decision. I think hagler should have kept his title but meh...close fight.

Take away those 3 big fights and srl also battered a prime benitez while he was green. Srl was the real deal imo.

Pacquiao now, overrated at welterweight perhaps as every single win at this weight has a red flag attached to it, but his resume below this weight is actually all time great status. So overrated? Perhaps but still great in my book.

Rocky marciano, most people consider him overated, but hes still better than the current crop of heavyweights. The hw division has always been littered with bums if you take away the golden era of the 70s.

Why Pacquiao's WW Career overrated? I don't get this. Sure it doesn't have ATG status compared to his lower weight career. But considering his size and the way he defeated his opponents there were actually impressive.

His Clottey and Bradley II were very good wins without catchweight or any red flag attached to them. Bradley I was robbery.

I don't think Cotto was weight drained in their fight though the catchweight somehow lessen the win but still he TKO him. His Mosley and ODH wins were ok. Great fighters both old and the other one was zombie.

Marquez III fight was a close fight.

Pacquiao Wins WW
ODH, Cotto, Clottey, Mosley, Marquez III (Close Fight), Rios, Bradley II, Algieri

Pacquiao Losses WW
Mayweather, Marquez IV, Bradley I* (Robbery Fight)

He dominated all his fights in WW except Mayweather and 2 Marquez fight. His 2 losses in WW was against two ATGs.

[Ahmed_Ismail]

Why Pacquiao's WW Career overrated? I don't get this. Sure it doesn't have ATG status compared to his lower weight career. But considering his size and the way he defeated his opponents there were actually impressive.

His Clottey and Bradley II were very good wins without catchweight or any red flag attached to them. Bradley I was robbery.

I don't think Cotto was weight drained in their fight though the catchweight somehow lessen the win but still he TKO him. His Mosley and ODH wins were ok. Great fighters both old and the other one was zombie.

Marquez III fight was a close fight.

Pacquiao Wins WW
ODH, Cotto, Clottey, Mosley, Marquez III (Close Fight), Rios, Bradley II, Algieri

Pacquiao Losses WW
Mayweather, Marquez IV, Bradley I* (Robbery Fight)

He dominated all his fights in WW except Mayweather and 2 Marquez fight. His 2 losses in WW was against two ATGs.

Marquez III was a loss, Clottey, Mosley and Rios were coming off losses, Algieri wasn't a WW and Bradley I was Bradley moving up from 140.

Dela Hoya was a Zombie and Cotto had just gotten destroyed a year earlier by plaster of paris and almost lost to Clottey, and the fight was at a catchweight.

Pacquiao's best win at WW is Bradley II, who he already beat in the first fight and injured his leg early in the fight, second best is Cotto, but all the rest is media hype.