Which fighters do you feel are historically overrated

[Szef]

Skilled and talented fighter just think he lacks the resume to be rated as high as many tend to rank him.

same thing could be said about lewis i assume?

[ShoulderRoll]

Rocky Marciano. Being the only undefeated heavyweight DOES NOT necessarily make him the greatest heavyweight.

[IronDanHamza]

same thing could be said about lewis i assume?

Basically.

But I don't think he had the skills or talent that Jofre had though.

[Eff Pandas]

IMO;

Ricardo Lopez

Why Lopez? If anything I'd probably list him on the underrated side of things.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Why Lopez? If anything I'd probably list him on the underrated side of things.

I tend to agree...

If you talk about great 90s fighter

Evander
Lennox
Roy
Toney
Mosely at 135
Oscar
Tito
Hell even carbajal gets more attention

Lopez seems to fall thru the cracks, mostly due to him not being in a glamor division..

[sonnyboyx2]

Make if it what you will. There is some truth to the fact that many people take Dempsey to be a great fighter without examining the claims. But when people say these are just nostralgic musings that is ridiculous. Here is why:

Dempsey fought at a unique time: Many of the best and brightest trainers caught Dempsey's career, then the golden age of Louis, and then the great years of the seventies....these men managed to work with 3 generations of fighters and a few of them were even around to see Tyson start to make an appearance. So, men who had witnessed and worked with the best heavyweight fighters, all of whom had at least 3 generations of the best to look at were asked who the best was.

Now understand that it is easy to say that nostalgia moved a few of these men, or senality, or just to dismiss them as dinosaurs...yet people who know the sport did no such thing. These trainers were not Bert Sugar, they actually sweated and worked with fighters and included in them was Gene Tunney who had fought Dempsey twice. Also keep in mind that as a group boxing trainers are not overly sentimental imaginitive people moved by the moment...these were men of action, men who had to be absolute in their calculations, and these men were taskmasters.

Without hesitation virtually all the trainers who had access to this 3 genrations of fighter rated Dempsey in the top 3, most said he was the best.

Now people have changed and Louis and Ali usually vie for that spot, but again keeping in mind if you has a quorum of experts who had observed al three fighters versus just Louis and Ali....who would you consider more valid? Not saying this is absolute but there is good reason to consider Dempsey as the best, or one of the best, and it is hardly for sentimental reasons.

great post, Mike Tyson is one of the most knowledgeable boxing historians on the planet. Tyson rates Dempsey as the greatest ever. Also Ray Arcel rated Dempsey as the greatest ever. Fighters of Dempsey's era like Sam Langford & Gene Tunney rated Dempsey as the greatest fighter they ever seen in their lives.

[juggernaut666]

Well as far as the nostalgia thing I will let Juggernaught respond to that.

Imo Dempsey in the top 3 is absurd and that makes me think he is even more overrated than i originally thought. If experts who witnessed him say he is top 3 based on the eye test then fair enough but resume/longevity wise I don't think he is top 10.

Being the greatest and being the best are two separate things , i dont really bother with greatest because a fighters prime at the end of the day is what counts.Personally MOST champions who dominated there eras are overatted severly by the title they are giving as being the best ever seen ,one cannot reason with nostalgics so i wont do it ,as my posts will get deleted for reasoning ...


Tyson probably puts Dempsey very high because thats who his style was desighed after ,make no mistake Dempsey was no Tyson ,not remotely but these are the same ones who will say Tyson is overrated ,guys like Ferdie Pecheco and company are exact examples of what im talking about!

[IronDanHamza]

Why Lopez? If anything I'd probably list him on the underrated side of things.

Why would you consider him underrated?

People tend to consider him an ATG yet his resume doesn't support that.

People also say he's a complete fighter, despite his complete lack of inside game.

[Mintcar923]

Rocky Marciano. Being the only undefeated heavyweight DOES NOT necessarily make him the greatest heavyweight.

We're approaching three quarters of a century later and his record still stands.. He cleaned out the division and fought all the best guys of his time.. If anything he is underrated.. Perhaps the only other man to do something very similar was Lennox Lewis..

[ShoulderRoll]

People also say he's a complete fighter, despite his complete lack of inside game.

Not sure I agree with this. He had a great left hook to the body and a left uppercut on the inside.